From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4942 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2020 01:50:36 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Dec 2020 01:50:36 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3196993D5F; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:50:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5335B93D34; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:49:59 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="cJQk2Chf"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A829B93D34; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:49:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f54.google.com (mail-qv1-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C50F93D28 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:49:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so1687163qvi.8 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 17:49:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pDsJxmoVOCKQedINeoftHMc0zMKAfOHfWkY4wfMFfF4=; b=cJQk2Chfb5i9ylIK29kUrqI3tB4KEiwnyHiq8C4c3Bt2G/5TO8iFo0/wlgrLJ6cbRN kOP9SlAdZVauh5y8jQiOWibVSeMNVYbSdJhHgyBc7vGSZXz2x0Fod3DjAvyIruJ7Q+1F Hyd27TXiwWrsRBReuECs2pR4yMt4WpBX+S374mIVNNYHhyQ7yEMd1Yd1ZaNRCvYlfKhY xHRJnb7nm/SC5ZAyeF1XYDXAzonlZu5PJnBEbt1YfTb6ZdP7zeyUmXHdlhUFmHleU41S ZNnMkuLac9XaEjl63+HFF0fsTECcPRGuvCPAqXkbxXotmrEGh3dt3aQUbWTNXx7Tjs9r gLRQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pDsJxmoVOCKQedINeoftHMc0zMKAfOHfWkY4wfMFfF4=; b=QhzJAmglwhLXbCwJqQ1giI1q2b3kYqqpbQq7P+K9swDRbgg+fNkezt0RMNo7o7aHaF 75Og3CBoxzb0/x7WZXwIwYBMm1rXFbTp1ogAZ/UU8FNGEi+ZgrXpN1Z03+aUX+Wn/33Q rKN1hR373XURGWg1bKJzHYImLnlB7p6hI0kOjB2xkY7w7N5l7TsF2qRzyDUSojcxjfQs +KiA1rnGiekSPDgns/CsJIgDoVFJkxZdghQjVVhiqY99mwPAN2B9g6yemcCR3eY0KDGA 4NLc1KpxoQ39cTO13aEnaqpoPBaZrFg8jP935zkASZ/+SHCA2busuZQc+89xZw0V20n5 u+ag== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532gyKXnP47J1DXCnPgRVLBVqWsD6847xkWJ4EjW8a/vV72Ll4I5 h9z0KQ3sKydPZKBSXiAWmJ0SmHT+pSXEvzGhOBP9VQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxtkniUOTtCjsgroUJMJbwLgn/XpScvleuVAKRuEGNxCgJiDgtBy1ogeD0LLboiX5t5KjO5H6e0Cb17BrVz/3E= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:b3d6:: with SMTP id b22mr6699146qvf.10.1607564994502; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 17:49:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1479.1607559546@hop.toad.com> In-Reply-To: <1479.1607559546@hop.toad.com> From: John Cowan Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 20:49:43 -0500 Message-ID: To: John Gilmore Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000737af505b61264a8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Cole's Slaw X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000737af505b61264a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:19 PM John Gilmore wrote: That certainly worked for closing the Digital Divide. Some suggested > allocating billions in tax dollars to subsidize the un-networked in the > 1990s and 2000's. Instead we mostly just waited a few years. > Semiconductor economics plus consumer behavior (demand rises very > quickly as prices drop, which provides economies of scale) solve most of > the problem for you. > Not quite yet. As of 2018, which is the latest data I can find, only 73% of U.S. households have 10 Mbps download speed or better, and only 46% have 100 Mbps service or better. If you look at the lowest quartile of household incomes, the figures are 33% and 18% respectively. (You want adoption figures, not deployment figures.) Wiring up the whole country is fine, but if people won't or can't use it, it does little good. On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:53 PM Erik E. Fair wrote: How many terabytes of stable storage do you have at home? > None at all, unless you count physical books. I don't bother with home backups because they don't provide disaster recovery: I'm not going to be thinking about grabbing a hard disk on my way out the door if there's a fire or flood. Instead, I keep about 186 GB in an S3 bucket (a fair amount of that is redundant, but it doesn't make sense for me to spend time deduplicating files). I also have about 4 GB in two Google accounts. Essentially all of that is text/plain, text/html, or application/pdf. John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Monday we watch-a Firefly's house, but he no come out. He wasn't home. Tuesday we go to the ball game, but he fool us. He no show up. Wednesday he go to the ball game, and we fool him. We no show up. Thursday was a double-header. Nobody show up. Friday it rained all day. There was no ball game, so we stayed home and we listened to it on-a the radio. --Chicolini --000000000000737af505b61264a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Dec 9, 20= 20 at 7:19 PM John Gilmore <gnu@toad.com= > wrote:

That certainly worked for c= losing the Digital Divide.=C2=A0 Some suggested
allocating billions in tax dollars to subsidize the un-networked in the
1990s and 2000's.=C2=A0 Instead we mostly just waited a few years.
Semiconductor economics plus consumer behavior (demand rises very
quickly as prices drop, which provides economies of scale) solve most of the problem for you.

Not quite yet.=C2=A0 As of 2018, which is the latest data I can find, on= ly 73% of U.S. households have 10 Mbps download speed or better, and only 4= 6% have 100 Mbps service or better.=C2=A0 If you look at the lowest quartil= e of household incomes, the figures are 33% and 18% respectively.=C2=A0 (Yo= u want adoption figures, not deployment figures.)=C2=A0 Wiring up the whole= country is fine, but if people won't or can't use it, it does litt= le good.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:53 PM Erik = E. Fair <fair-tuhs@netbsd.org> wrote:

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=C2=A0How many terabytes of stable storage do you have at= home?

None at all, unless you count p= hysical books.=C2=A0 I don't bother with home backups because they don= 't provide disaster recovery: I'm not going to be thinking about gr= abbing a hard disk on my way out the door if there's a fire or flood.= =C2=A0 Instead, I keep about 186 GB in an S3 bucket (a fair amount of that = is redundant, but it doesn't make sense for me to spend time deduplicat= ing files).=C2=A0 I also have about 4 GB in two Google accounts.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0Essentially all of that is text/plain, text/html, or application/pdf.



http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0cowan@ccil.org
Monday we watch-= a Firefly's house, but he no come out.=C2=A0 He wasn't home.
Tue= sday we go to the ball game, but he fool us.=C2=A0 He no show up.=C2=A0 Wed= nesday he
go to the ball game, and we fool him.=C2=A0 We no show up.=C2= =A0 Thursday was a
double-header.=C2=A0 Nobody show up.=C2=A0 Friday it = rained all day.=C2=A0 There was no ball
game, so we stayed home and we l= istened to it on-a the radio. =C2=A0--Chicolini

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