From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31177 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2021 01:30:42 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 31 Mar 2021 01:30:42 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 476899C69A; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:30:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAB29C63E; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:30:15 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="IDRtLp0X"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7291A9C63E; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:30:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f171.google.com (mail-qt1-f171.google.com [209.85.160.171]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 397B69C63D for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:30:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f171.google.com with SMTP id l6so5189606qtq.2 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:30:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=f2Dc7g0AAM8QuWxcA51CTq8Kq06Xm9dva2U8SzFpeGE=; b=IDRtLp0XhFGraFPjGq9PwjdfOOWgOQ5H78dDk9/kTfcni1M3YtvWI0Ua7oKRTf7pUZ JRfhbEVdd6ML46C2MBoMinoub+sumewNxOuHjTVDdswRaE5D0/aNjCAHNMipXvfPPTvx df8WPsse3jv/tICUkhFMivLUKLTTltZvUb3caT0j4qnemqD1WIY2wPVJFDgMLdNkjVEm 66N6+LQcDPAzmrw/jdsv+bwUhS0C+qcQ38rezxtlRHsne3zsfFvuvpmEntA+GRJ9i2w5 FKNLC3clpoNJPRkbxdhw7YyYeYotc8aXrUn1lK8XwTIRtlutCskpdQXLBSkrDuH/WAOY 7bkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=f2Dc7g0AAM8QuWxcA51CTq8Kq06Xm9dva2U8SzFpeGE=; b=qmEJItouUZec2PbdEUf2ofVSzITQ42PHU3H+79UEiH+oTi9Zu83LI8K+FZMufHaG/S bISt1KVY7jnV62YF1y608lKdUXlw7s5WEEQDGPpjhxpUJF/v33eWGdGRH/x6XqtcAHfp EHO/38OeVUaqcDwBQB3Ky/Q5tqKp+ae6YHpmDoeytTvibHijRWgmmcjIke3D3/Sam1sf 1WePot4wSogxtomlj0eQ9l6wAp7TM3JiCHpRWrrVQcFVWA4Xn9ZcCmiD80FgkgVySB8W XpWufHQQ6BW4J1sMvkT9xDzCXhjGQFd/Tt06Zww3eZr6fg4KmIEHsJoMsa+S+BcuIxbl 9PTg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5327EAo9vGjYmtMyx+rvhtgg3u1WLS2tPsOQQQVQg04r7e4jqjPn dBkfAJHNOuSoyJdwhCmD2Xs+phYJuN4zAG4iThLcWi1UbCPt8g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzIgCVl1GgoT3zrqT2XZdWMIpd97NA9uBzi9sYzAR/049gSMg00lMNA3Wh1UFZpuG8WX3397VgihmIBfqFRoWs= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:74d3:: with SMTP id j19mr571838qtr.56.1617154210309; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:30:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210331005450.86F0A640CB6@lignose.oclsc.org> In-Reply-To: <20210331005450.86F0A640CB6@lignose.oclsc.org> From: John Cowan Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 21:29:59 -0400 Message-ID: To: Norman Wilson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000040ba0905becb0ee3" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Remember the ed thread? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000040ba0905becb0ee3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:03 PM Norman Wilson wrote: A standard for the standard editor? > No, I mean an implementation that provides the union of features (and preferably though not necessarily of syntaxes) in Posix ed and ex, GNU ed, the ex mode of vim, and BSD ed. I thought the nice thing about standards was that there > were so many of them. > ... and if you don't like any of them, wait till next year, yes. But (to use examples of local significance) who would have foreseen that a character encoding standard put forward in 1992 for an obscure OS in 1992 would so completely take over the world, or for that matter another obscure OS written by the same people in 1969? It's fine to complain that there is no more research in such-and-such an area; however, while many projects are worked on forever and the great majority are abandoned, there is a third kind of project that is simply *finished*. Cal, for example, provides the same output in both Linux and BSD versions as the Seventh Edition when given the original arguments (except for titlecasing the weekday names), though both have additional bells and whistles such as being able to set the date of the Gregorian reform. John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Gules six bars argent on a canton azure 50 mullets argent six five six five six five six five and six --blazoning the U.S. flag --00000000000040ba0905becb0ee3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Mar 30, 2= 021 at 9:03 PM Norman Wilson <norman@oclsc.org> wrote:

A standard for the standard editor?

No, I mean an implementation that provides the union of f= eatures (and preferably though not necessarily of syntaxes) in Posix ed and= ex, GNU ed, the ex mode of vim, and BSD ed.

I thought the = nice thing about standards was that there
were so many of them.

... and if you don't like any of them, wait till next year, yes.=C2= =A0 But (to use=C2=A0examples of local significance) who would have foresee= n that a character encoding standard put forward in 1992 for an obscure OS = in 1992 would so completely take over the world, or for that matter another= obscure OS written by the same people in 1969?=C2=A0=C2=A0

It's fine to compla= in that there is no more research in such-and-such an area; however, while = many projects are worked on forever and the great majority are abandoned, t= here is a third kind of project that is=C2=A0simply *finished*.=C2=A0 Cal, = for example, provides the same output in both Linux and BSD versions as the= Seventh Edition when given the original arguments (except for titlecasing = the weekday names), though both have additional bells and whistles such as = being able to set the date of the Gregorian reform.



John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0h= ttp://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0--blazoning the U.S. flag <http://web.meson.org/blaz= onserver>

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