From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3904 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2020 17:49:37 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Aug 2020 17:49:37 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 178249C9FB; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 03:49:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FE59C9E3; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 03:48:59 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="XlnPkPqc"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E31669C9E3; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 03:48:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f196.google.com (mail-qt1-f196.google.com [209.85.160.196]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDF0893DFC for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 03:48:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f196.google.com with SMTP id b25so25441449qto.2 for ; Sat, 01 Aug 2020 10:48:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QbPrQE7owxDGJgAPjWyKFnIPd0H7vjn5hLmslm66aTI=; b=XlnPkPqc8QN6FpAXzP+DfFBBmv35KMe3eArWDXysf3zrN8ZtbO648FoMa59CRVn3nl VNKHFqvpJ721kAFZQvD4vb2+TZhj6AiJMTOqjsBCxCSN83e1Q+XIxq6PS4xHzlgJFKi3 1NlWDPx4HIHMq7dD2kGnv1GvI9DkYSmI+VqdRgb025V9yTAh89eb2XRY5OY3W9sYI+C6 GNt6R2X7/Z+Trq7fM7NLBecs9b0zfBaXhTkZhShTquqsyV2SheBxrirvlAkZGd4ZU6JR dOlVwIp2XOQa/vSrBBZQ6lpn2geb6GsPGrhiZfw8asxtvMk+MenHefPVLQ+Py9+xMhfx 8TyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QbPrQE7owxDGJgAPjWyKFnIPd0H7vjn5hLmslm66aTI=; b=L4C3dSvKAvgTGQEHkmWRr3XLXGrkHJc2rIzp2TeA+BMcRVD/3G5S4qytA3D32vykMa A8f6Lw9bUqA6AZW4PKXAVpneWte+DfMFTm18BR264GEgr9Bt/4IxzIVN5a3bXIBQgTiq nWZoPW5oAtLBzxLHgs70ruCCdZ3iQ5x//5sD68F5wEq/eyiQyykm/OnBP0kIixIuKfHz Y94VF0d5AMs1BOD71PvRSelbRALBDGSKM1TYNQvhuiGvZKEN0M+pJTxVj2Ag4z9lucvk qlQbdba99qVwM2V9YXq1QEOgIfz/OxnDjrq0af8cf6CVNDhJvSDeFXyTBzHwYHwPOpWh fm9g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531iDuMfQv1aBzDAYF/NiyyJkRO9GoUIobpq2lvU4gxZfZXrdMb0 kgEZK+DTSaSWRrmVy3CpmPf6bOblqRjOyj/kCFTJmA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxTV5yjrSHO6eAyBjc1avjLJUdqG0WXiHtVnTI1smJYodDbU4vLkCWgVTe5uU6O4yjiZEzewiezvMyuz0Elm38= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:729a:: with SMTP id v26mr9451607qto.362.1596304133807; Sat, 01 Aug 2020 10:48:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202007310003.06V03OoV073870@chez.mckusick.com> <1k1lj2-7nP-00@marmaro.de> <20200801141310.GQ10778@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:48:42 -0400 Message-ID: To: Dan Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d9786b05abd4849a" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Dennis Ritchie's Dissertation X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Unix Heritage Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000d9786b05abd4849a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 12:44 PM Dan Cross wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:09 AM John P. Linderman wrote: > >> The use of honorifics was subtly discouraged at the Labs. >> > I think this is true, or at least used to be true, everywhere between the East and California, where it was typical for tertiary students to address their teachers with the ordinary titles of Mr., Mrs., and Miss (now Ms. too, most likely). I once heard of an organization named "The Society for Calling University Professors 'Mister'". Occasionally I teach a session of a graduate course somewhere or another; > less occasionally I get emails from students who attended the lecture. I > always find it flattering and amusing when they variously refer to me as > "Dr" or "Prof": I am neither, > I have a standard reply to that when it comes from people who know nothing about me: "Neither doctor nor master nor even bachelor am I, but plain John of New Avalon. :-)" New Avalon is of course more usually known as the Big Apple. I use that and my middle name as my Twitter username (now long idle), @woldemar_avalon. > About half of the people in the immediate vicinity of my office have PhDs. > I have four siblings and two parents with doctorates, while I myself remain untitled (as shown above). When I was a kid and answered the phone, and someone asked for either Professor Cowan or Doctor Cowan, I would carefully ask "Do you mean Professor Thomas or Professor Marianne?" My mother wanted me to say "Do you want my mother or my father?", but I rejected this as below the dignity of a telephone receptionist. A particular impedance mismatch is when someone has a PhD in a completely > unrelated field: > Many people have advanced degrees in English (or another language) or library science but also a programming background: they tend to wind up in the digital humanities because their original fields aren't hiring. John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org I should say generally that that marriage was best auspiced, for the achievement of happiness, which contemplated a relation between a man and a woman in which the independence was equal, the dependence mutual, and the obligations reciprocal. --000000000000d9786b05abd4849a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 12:4= 4 PM Dan Cross <cr= ossd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:09 AM John = P. Linderman <jpl= .jpl@gmail.com> wrote:
The use of honorifics was subtly discouraged at the Labs.

I t= hink this is true, or at least used to be true, everywhere between the East= and California, where it was typical for tertiary students to address thei= r teachers with the ordinary titles of Mr., Mrs., and Miss (now Ms. too, mo= st likely).=C2=A0 I once heard of an organization named "The Society f= or Calling University Professors 'Mister'".

Occasionally I teach a session o= f a graduate course somewhere or another; less occasionally I get emails fr= om students who attended the lecture. I always find it flattering and amusi= ng when they variously refer to me as "Dr" or "Prof": I= am neither,

I have= a standard reply to that when it comes from people who know nothing about = me:=C2=A0 "Neither doctor nor master nor even bachelor am I, but plain= John of New Avalon.=C2=A0 :-)"=C2=A0 New Avalon is of course more usu= ally known as the Big Apple.=C2=A0 I use that and my middle name as my Twit= ter username (now long idle),=C2=A0@woldemar_avalon.
=C2=A0
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About half of the people in the im= mediate vicinity of my office have PhDs.

I have four siblings and two parents with doctorates,= while I myself remain untitled (as shown above).=C2=A0 =C2=A0When I was a = kid and answered the phone, and someone asked for either Professor Cowan or= Doctor Cowan, I would carefully ask "Do you mean Professor Thomas or = Professor Marianne?"=C2=A0 =C2=A0My mother wanted me to say "Do y= ou want my mother or my father?", but I rejected this as below the dig= nity of a telephone receptionist.

A particular impedance mismatch is when someone has a= PhD in a completely unrelated field:
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Many people have advanced degrees in English (or another= language) or library science but also a programming background: they tend = to wind up in the digital humanities because their original fields aren'= ;t hiring.



John Cowan =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0h= ttp://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
I should say generally that = that marriage was best auspiced, for the
achievement of happiness, which= contemplated a relation between a man and a
woman in which the independ= ence was equal, the dependence mutual, and the
obligations reciprocal.


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