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BSD num?] List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000005e15d505e4f22c52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 1:02 AM Charles H. Sauer wrote: > A few experiences as SNOBOL/Icon enthusiast, not expert, ending with > limited tie back to Unix: > o Introduced to SNOBOL4 in introductory programming languages course > summer 1971 U.T. Austin > o ca 1976 used SNOBOL4 on VM/370 to build Fortran to PL/I translator "The > elapsed time between beginning work on the translator and getting a running > PL/I version of APLOMB was approximately two weeks, and this achievement > was a great relief to those who anticipated a much, much larger effort." > https://technologists.com/sauer/The_Evolution_of_the_Research_Queueing_Package.pdf > o ca 1985 (with minimal effort) modified/built Icon to run on PC/IX, began > emailing with Ralph Griswold > o Discovered IBM colleague Viktors Berstis and his SNOBOL > advocacy/expertise (http://berstis.com/) > o ca 1986 "With help from an ISC colleague, I created a PL.8 to C > translator using Icon, that was used to facilitate some of the rewriting. > [of the RT/PC VRM]" > https://notes.technologists.com/notes/2017/03/08/lets-start-at-the-very-beginning-801-romp-rtpc-aix-versions/ > > Let us not forget Icon , Ralph Griswold's own successor to Snobol. Well-structured, portable to Posix and Windows, "Prolog from another point of view" (the Icon implementation is very much like the WAM). --0000000000005e15d505e4f22c52 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Jul 29, 2= 022 at 1:02 AM Charles H. Sauer <sauer@technologists.com> wrote:
<= div style=3D"margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:norm= al;font-family:Menlo">A few experiences as SNOBOL/Icon enthusiast, not expert, ending with = limited tie back to Unix:
o Introduced to SNOBOL4 in int= roductory programming languages course summer 1971 U.T. Austin
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o ca 1976 used SNOBOL4 on VM/370 to build Fortran to PL/I translator= "The elapsed time between beginning work on the translator and gettin= g a running PL/I version of APLOMB was approximately two weeks, and this ac= hievement was a great relief to those who anticipated a much, much larger e= ffort."=C2=A0https://tech= nologists.com/sauer/The_Evolution_of_the_Research_Queueing_Package.pdf<= /div>
o ca 1985 (with minimal effort) modified/built Icon to run on P= C/IX, began emailing with=C2=A0Ralph Griswold
o Discover= ed IBM colleague Viktors Berstis and his SNOBOL advocacy/expertise (http://berstis.com/)<= /div>
o ca 1986 "With help from an ISC colleague, I created a PL= .8 to C translator using Icon, that was used to facilitate some of the rewr= iting. [of the RT/PC VRM]" https://notes.technologists.com/notes/2017/03/08/lets= -start-at-the-very-beginning-801-romp-rtpc-aix-versions/

Let us not forget Icon <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/icon/>, Ralph Griswold's own succe= ssor to Snobol.=C2=A0 Well-structured, portable to Posix and Windows, "= ;Prolog from another point of view" (the Icon implementation is very m= uch like the WAM).
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