From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19559 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2021 03:50:41 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 17 Feb 2021 03:50:41 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 478429CA69; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:50:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A829B966; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:49:46 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="OJTx9zv9"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 074EA9B966; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:49:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f174.google.com (mail-qk1-f174.google.com [209.85.222.174]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 188B09B95A for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:49:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f174.google.com with SMTP id t63so11674656qkc.1 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:49:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4PRYPIXcMtdHKkVUrue8AofpuXmTmo5r4gC8OQ5htAw=; b=OJTx9zv9ejJeQ01r4LZKlLnVS9Uy1Op0s/yapq4zXX7pnGXJqfp8tA3GTy76HCTn6M QI/59/slGb5LPc+Es5SqRXwme9prmnVklkQr5rL3dpBB7A9Xzxj7ZxofqglldNqAS1A2 oVvbJXppr4gpXzoE8T6m4SKEzZqJ1/h4BfbFpZQifP7JTPrj+jLIK2nSaf5NBClw9zd5 kZ8tb+V01A2UYimKY5xPf54n3cPIw4gIHv0+pteSfkOBDNOGiTX5YkgADaRXwxfLMRsm exLP0cC/jRHF4vVclTJnp4z6KHbizSUTeI4f22jXZHOVSlJ0a/g33CWmSLxazM2DGQHH ciWg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4PRYPIXcMtdHKkVUrue8AofpuXmTmo5r4gC8OQ5htAw=; b=jAbXHIWZ+GGRNqpuryM1Gj04WP9ZIKt4nJPasdEQPudQyh5ee8qHwAKCkuEGueJmNc BcsLWhVpkrg8nNu5+LBPuqrn30sI02NBCoiRGNFHCl43TgxGmlp/CDPBErlVsnJP7How Hlt3T3gjNYSh/EFf44kC4Usshb7atZxKyf3RFuR8IQAe5ACSpV1p7no5B0CAfLexlOs8 8flNfhn3gG6YO9wotoSPtz2fWImHX/1jKR/W/jys4R+0FZxKvlig4cSoCybxNZ/29TJO lTQ90N4bDcB216OIfbbTQ/jtH8zDv04rF74ppMmmHl8egeiCQg4veNY3m1Tx4IzuCFEC yhCg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532bkoqEeuoCw4OGsRApl2spJWwHDTsGGfps6tqRUh0BpLr6865m 0PuGT53THQWP7ULPEzmw3jo06WPImuLdFNoVoeTnqA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzbYJGhg7BngImvw0ZDbnwr5UNOZnynHhAeWx+byxRV2K8KQw4TNVkvZfy8+aYMQxwoomiwcYiW7jwgtFP/uR0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:13fb:: with SMTP id h27mr2484959qkl.426.1613533752348; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:49:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1607711516.31417164@apps.rackspace.com> <30368.1613327707837544705@groups.io> <3803.1613457083@hop.toad.com> In-Reply-To: <3803.1613457083@hop.toad.com> From: John Cowan Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:49:01 -0500 Message-ID: To: John Gilmore Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000245c2d05bb801a7f" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Fwd: [multicians] History of C (with Multics reference) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000245c2d05bb801a7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 1:32 AM John Gilmore wrote: > There was clearly a lot of cross-fertilization between early APL systems > and Bon. (APL was the first computer language I dug deeply into.) Some > of the common elements are the interactive execution environment, > untyped variables, and automatic application of builtin functions (like > +) across all elements of arrays. > In particular, doing gotos by assigning to a variable is very old-school APL. John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Is a chair finely made tragic or comic? Is the portrait of Mona Lisa good if I desire to see it? Is the bust of Sir Philip Crampton lyrical, epical or dramatic? If a man hacking in fury at a block of wood make there an image of a cow, is that image a work of art? If not, why not? --Stephen Dedalus --000000000000245c2d05bb801a7f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Feb 16, 2= 021 at 1:32 AM John Gilmore <gnu@toad.co= m> wrote:
=C2=A0
There was clearly a lot of cross-fertilization between ea= rly APL systems
and Bon.=C2=A0 (APL was the first computer language I dug deeply into.)=C2= =A0 Some
of the common elements are the interactive execution environment,
untyped variables, and automatic application of builtin functions (like
+) across all elements of arrays.

In particular, doing gotos by assigning to a variable is ve= ry old-school APL.



John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
Is a chai= r finely made tragic or comic? Is the portrait of Mona Lisa
good if I de= sire to see it? Is the bust of Sir Philip Crampton lyrical,
epical or dr= amatic?=C2=A0 If a man hacking in fury at a block of wood make
there an = image of a cow, is that image a work of art? If not, why not?
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Stephen Dedalus

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