From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3330 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2022 03:04:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Jul 2022 03:04:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A3E40971; Tue, 5 Jul 2022 13:04:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-f50.google.com (mail-pj1-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0102C407A5 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2022 13:04:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-f50.google.com with SMTP id o15so6372103pjh.1 for ; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 20:04:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=INgji1nIKpO2eAWGANraH3nY9eA60aGeq5+V6OQDPyQ=; b=z5Z6kpz/egdbenVoM/567PcrPfJ7YfGQxORvApR0heR6Ea/ewOyGtgkJHa2hcpO/Uj zkxYBBDeTwIvdKFEjauP++LEnSSRvKDLFrT19Sd7sMoOdMhfGm25zRA9LH3vgJg6exWq jbo8N3G+lHSg/5O9XhE3y1BrI+l2H851a7H5z+p8kRJ5BzCR446vdHt2DfUQFcKWbgdE uJANCTZnic3M23vkFWgnG7KyryAKNG1cu7CgCL9Lw0QE+XIfl7LpOXyJBsS7mQ2Q8a7u prneG0St8+4CuvjUAJ7BZuN6Jju6vdYj1G/A1uAqPCGHddCw7T2UMMHg6kUbvqgKiyej xI5A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=INgji1nIKpO2eAWGANraH3nY9eA60aGeq5+V6OQDPyQ=; b=ewOnrSvnNft6KDkYWecHuz73YxLiT53wZNaAe2N2rRn3tspp6xFSPxFbNcG/RTWkIY hE6JXsqbqJeW6gROvdn5KTMg62y6DjEynK3TOK0VrIW9n2EwjpQTDcm7C+fUyG42uXON P567phjMs96TSddu2qZkdVZBwXhx6jQ2/SA7S2F3ycB3MU1FpEwqO3cuJbL9l/ITgCqh spfyJd+TSilcMyhARo596F4ggV4aSg87gSEPqi8Sm/BEU8jewSEBkswyCRnO3Ow1E/PJ mUI6ujfvnadjDwJic/0WI1q2kBkT9xwbMY/IR5ov3sBrjlD59DoyXdEEGnvE9C7U2XZo MSZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/8DYLvLuQBK9sTgCMZx1C6eEgFyf9P3roEfOWd2xHGFtZuYXHD IWxo8NC8daoJ1/th5JBMqI5O/Ikr053zO4+5fsge7g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1sP8Jf+49cuCjjYpiCRHyaJROrH+hkoslhLMHieE4zXeLPf9R9cwVxD/XMvFSFyjrYsH7SEboO+bdmHjOQUBYs= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:7e86:b0:1ec:8606:b3c4 with SMTP id j6-20020a17090a7e8600b001ec8606b3c4mr39882993pjl.186.1656990184306; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 20:03:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <72C18447-E565-4A02-84E2-BFB309E97330@planet.nl> <7E3B9D54-8D4A-495F-9548-CA4B1B285BE4@planet.nl> In-Reply-To: <7E3B9D54-8D4A-495F-9548-CA4B1B285BE4@planet.nl> From: John Cowan Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 23:02:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: Paul Ruizendaal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005510b205e30617e4" Message-ID-Hash: KMQT7TZZLVO5K5ROR7DDHUJUVM5SR4IR X-Message-ID-Hash: KMQT7TZZLVO5K5ROR7DDHUJUVM5SR4IR X-MailFrom: cowan@ccil.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: is networking different? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000005510b205e30617e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > On 4 Jul 2022, at 23:17, ron minnich wrote: > > > You can do that, but the 1980s tried it and it did not end well. > > What's it mean, for example, when you rename("/net/harv") to > > ("/net/google") -- close and reopen socket? (there's a Lost Talk from, > > I think, Rob, that addressed this very question) > Why shouldn't it just fail with EXDEV "No cross-device links"? > Also consider that if you get it right, you can do all the network IO > > you want with cat and echo -- people have written telnet in Plan 9 > > with those two commands. Well, not really. You need at least sed to convert 0xFF to 0xFF 0xFF on the wire and back again, at least if you are talking to a conformant implementation. --0000000000005510b205e30617e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



O= n 4 Jul 2022, at 23:17, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> You can = do that, but the 1980s tried it and it did not end well.
> What's it mean, for example, when you rename("/net/harv"= ) to
> ("/net/google") -- close and reopen socket? (there's a L= ost Talk from,
> I think, Rob, that addressed this very question)
=
Why shouldn't it just fail with EXD= EV "No cross-device links"?

> Also consider that if you get it right, you can do all the network IO<= br> > you want with cat and echo -- people have written telnet in Plan 9
> with those two commands.

Well, not really.=C2=A0 You need at least sed to convert 0xFF to 0= xFF 0xFF on the wire and back again, at least if you are talking to a confo= rmant implementation.
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