From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14118 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2022 03:05:17 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jan 2022 03:05:17 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3AD329D045; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:05:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AE59CF06; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:04:53 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.b="tJUqnlC1"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B4FFE9CF06; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:04:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f41.google.com (mail-wr1-f41.google.com [209.85.221.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6618E9CE58 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:04:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f41.google.com with SMTP id s1so63161186wrg.1 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2022 19:04:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Kd/NFFdjPuPH/eQKg1vP5QI9ji7ynqtq8u8bcgI/TW0=; b=tJUqnlC11SSCgEyglqAAMkjJm6pX1jO1LYrQOlTmag9qOgBv47VoJ7BFNqZUeZEsWX doaIey6wakIfynCospao9xrJa/VLEVUGsuHGP+sTuSygLLjh9HNjVfgoXBjfwBu6SPfm sseiECtVbpJWfiiMqp1omFgUEIcFtbK3PZ5cacmNLB22/b85CS2K6nrrhUtobesfqp+0 e6Cf2spZh4KH54bML8KCwkfHwFeJB4quO76MkiVKDtMdvmIOxHXKIVxHaOWmB5Otd4WJ 9ABdoAH3xPqR6k+kDq7KjfPOWxJI4PDyCSQ38aQthL8+M2l0qRjudurMa1OrTTR5d35L STUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Kd/NFFdjPuPH/eQKg1vP5QI9ji7ynqtq8u8bcgI/TW0=; b=hP3z51N7yfETpdtF4VZx7nCGSDOHBjvNMo3Lv8wbNtt5+gbcd2oPtFQLa/INjJwVHV mI2qsnCTfNe4kai5+DpecItRyDvPe+yXtw+Swr/U2MhK8csfQ/wBw1nd28GWnwWk260M fMbFMQlcSIygamyKrZSOAIJJk4IyN4JBa4kOnW3bwxt6RHToYq/jCsD9sXyXAwWOMwsD 1MN/J6kqNamRsBQIzqsM7xQ1hd+I1WeQYYW8v8bxBWutKzFJCXcfWoGZK8UkeWOO38Wb eJn+fDPo1TGEK0z5buZNRsV1sk6luJq8gWNFLKxRZ9AKLG6KWQol4JqPq9oT6VFl/hHi 5HQA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530T4YSj4+AejmV4RpxmpGhDvyIRRBagsKGLUq+8k1X4/0qn9VwR 0CSd2M78uZgd8RPDxnnCl9kzgJfRFG8nHlDK5xK6GKTcApf8qg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy0WSSoHT7re00rPP5hGSUX2AztKXzunX7NY2G74HRuLwYQ3HRrfUrvfvF6m01EYMj+Yew5Aqj6uJzvyydctxU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:144d:: with SMTP id v13mr34922957wrx.411.1641092687899; Sat, 01 Jan 2022 19:04:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20211231234039.GU31637@mcvoy.com> <202201012000.201K0Fd31610896@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20220102001244.GF10078@mcvoy.com> <20220102012033.GB7055@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20220102012033.GB7055@mcvoy.com> From: John Cowan Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 22:04:36 -0500 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b4bc2905d490aac5" Subject: Re: [TUHS] roff(7) [ and other related stuff ] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000b4bc2905d490aac5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 8:20 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > I'm almost speechless. My progression was Basic, Pascal, C (and later > Fortran, Lisp, no Cobol, I did an Ada Compiler so Ada I guess). Then > on to awk, perl, tcl, I tried to like C++ but couldn't, tried to like > Rust, Go, D, and couldn't. > > If you think any of those other languages remotely approach the elegance > of C, I just don't know what to say. > Elegance? C? I think not. Lisp, _that's_ elegant. C is beautiful, you look at the code and you can see what the hardware > will be doing but it isn't assembler. Not really. You see what the hardware would be doing if it were a PDP-11. That's not the same thing at all. --000000000000b4bc2905d490aac5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --000000000000b4bc2905d490aac5--