From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22409 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2021 17:10:24 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Dec 2021 17:10:24 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DF68C9CE78; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 03:10:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DC49490D; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 03:10:02 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.b="LQazL4Rh"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B52509490D; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 03:10:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f52.google.com (mail-wr1-f52.google.com [209.85.221.52]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 190FA9461A for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 03:10:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f52.google.com with SMTP id c4so28287904wrd.9 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 09:10:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KrjsR7PtMOIdMFN+irJuUdVuc+qtXiTRpY8doexu/Ho=; b=LQazL4Rh2w6kRMWPtIti0cMuqCdmK/afSn9R1sG0MyWsuys3p14qkNYoGdRL/tCPbe eGX1jTEqFHVEOtsA38PtynQcRurmjybXPb2OJkPuc+zI6s9IeaP/Py10fokHF8ixSp0V kmJslW3xQdV39BmXDF6WNq/gZhTd2gFoqgu+zZUVB5WrzCww9mNa5eENqpjH5iQrlFCA H8/c1hb68jUW2mPfhqcCjGIF0lF1sqvn18AKnYOaiwDy8xrlWSCqrOXGys8DCsLn1Sy6 WKnFioxxPbnNSQC75v/nkYModrK7tc2TaCUNsP2nvH8wW+If5GbKRG/9E0ThNClOOFb9 sprQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KrjsR7PtMOIdMFN+irJuUdVuc+qtXiTRpY8doexu/Ho=; b=x/O8Tq0adAVZ7ecA72OsOCtOgSCGoJPXzi27HwjUgsdIHq8dCmT2WQS2T5lkIOMOjH AYw2M8bxWY2v8Yf/cFH8sQyYKoVwgax77axwc1TFncRe+PTBBJNd/KSknwmmyJSJxq4m j6RNgC6xV9gPSFKZCSO4bcQ/gjz9c3aZfxdJaEIBOxf4BWmmOgjJRh+5KOABg3RbUYt7 JcvmEy1aHLI6EfkCDcI0DXJQJOF1HYBjAag4Ccc/lCXqgOy82JMqVHqxlAFwOGe2b4RQ dUMkZqLf8F1SHz5TiGF2KQKtsR5C+F3OPVai4hSJbJSQosobt6TzQQlbCzFBMRcyCRya wn5A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533AD9aWdzFWoCaGjKNgHBNvRvsGEtpEcQL/tQwjpD84xBSOJnDp oUdZ4Q5znnPNFsVLEEiHVi/hv+jnfkpnMIeEtlVQQYDfO/ZQfQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyK/G9wGARl1xz7DVKMl/9X1/JX+cTBcCwAexHvAIeUkhnTEWiDTRb9hc1JOdbQbRSU11jFSrdfC3oIXuTypeQ= X-Received: by 2002:adf:ea83:: with SMTP id s3mr3501204wrm.171.1640106598522; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 09:09:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201222224306.GA28478@minnie.tuhs.org> <202012230546.0BN5kDwe028815@sdf.org> <1653639b-8e41-7437-8c0e-32564dfdd788@laposte.net> <20211221162139.GP24180@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 12:09:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: Chester Ramey Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000032f6f605d3ab1397" Subject: Re: [TUHS] ksh88 source code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000032f6f605d3ab1397 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes, sorry: I edited the posting heavily and I missed that some pronouns now had the wrong antecedent. On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:47 AM Chet Ramey wrote: > On 12/21/21 11:42 AM, John Cowan wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:22 AM Larry McVoy > > wrote: > > > > I get the historical interest, but in today's world, is there any > > advantage to ksh over bash? I get that lots of scripts are run > > with /bin/sh and it is nice when that is fast, but aren't the cpus > > fast enough these days that it sort of doesn't matter? > > > > > > Ubuntu chose it as the default shell for sysvinit startup scripts in 2006 > > (from which it spread to BSD) precisely because it was much faster than > > bash. It's also smaller: bash is a memory hog. > > You're talking about dash, I think. > > -- > ``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer > ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates > Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU chet@case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/ > --00000000000032f6f605d3ab1397 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, sorry: I edited=C2=A0the=C2=A0posting h= eavily=C2=A0and I missed that some pronouns now had the wrong=C2=A0antecede= nt.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:47 AM Chet Ramey <chet.ramey@case.edu> wrote:
On 12/21/21 11:42 AM, John Cowan wr= ote:
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> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:22 AM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com
> <mailto:lm@mcvoy.= com>> wrote:
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I get the historical interest, but in today's w= orld, is there any
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0advantage to ksh over bash?=C2=A0 I get that lots o= f scripts are run
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with /bin/sh and it is nice when that is fast, but = aren't the cpus
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fast enough these days that it sort of doesn't = matter?
>
>
> Ubuntu chose it=C2=A0as the default shell for sysvinit startup scripts= in 2006
> (from which it spread to BSD) precisely because it was much faster tha= n
> bash.=C2=A0 It's=C2=A0also smaller: bash is=C2=A0a memory hog.=C2= =A0

You're talking about dash, I think.

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``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0``Ars longa, = vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU=C2=A0 =C2=A0 chet@case.edu=C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~che= t/
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