From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 5537 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2021 00:37:26 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Apr 2021 00:37:26 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DAD419CA6F; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 10:37:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3E69CA5B; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 10:36:27 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="pMXq8PfP"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0F2739CA5B; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 10:36:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f169.google.com (mail-qk1-f169.google.com [209.85.222.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEE649C883 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 10:36:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f169.google.com with SMTP id o5so10288838qkb.0 for ; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 17:36:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=a5dtPTFbMS3sogIAZWUsKU/IkeEeZ9GF+nJymXXn+jY=; b=pMXq8PfPbFltKQwF8NDRi/2MimCla7b61zQUwSbu/g2OAU4V1RHbNEFSWfJI0lJVjg dvmDBt7K6mvl0+MGJO5LHzAJbV80+3uqMBsjhz86mx07ld4UidWGD+de+bjylZLLsghd EHgIYJvl9+SsIqdDVZ088MrFVwVoKON/7FJL0/cycqYd8zKWaJfqgRye9KCVs2ZwyZP5 gQoSKBy4uAiQxS9fmj0VTfzuJYiwtJtR9+HPIiP2/zwBGaPHVeH4qRZ/wUPC3n8zHlWm isDN3b3VFr0wk74zGanyyOmDJIiHCtmt9kQwASeE6KORobEv8GIC/VldcdUW+jBN6IfQ 5FUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=a5dtPTFbMS3sogIAZWUsKU/IkeEeZ9GF+nJymXXn+jY=; b=h9+H9VzGryoHVvi2plwKZV1gmI9QubsVGMMXQjFBgJPAfyuTeF4bGI2HigANawwREj LgtaxHidgV6PeoBtEp3S1nSF5NYv1H38lGtTdiHErKYt/fta7Hio48Ele7kgjzwSrU9l q/5khuTxuORFx3gq81vzSaDyNza9BBt37u2ghMEyrTi+HgVfjLdPHBsnQun1lHlS+Llx 7blV49w4F+oW8/4q+GYUyKMphHhABnKI0KWYqO/hfoJlEFgmyK4huiMsEDXX92aJ8xIF m+WG6hgcpaoCE+YPs2kJIxxKnb/F3LXzhPB6bWCnFXPx6QdeKYUPSff25vI4q3y/SQLx /LwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532zCv8xlGW66DVzkpX1w5wKjT59OdVzGyyyD2JmrHJ2Q3ea7B32 6CT8J85//5LS55mWwoXWXOuUEusAbdK5q7M264i+Dg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw2HRGBLoCbHcBDZ+3hvmAkTa08PQagFxCmWnDNLmALP3XpQ274fvsxXJUAdOED6jr7DPi683RtZH3HTdjNm+0= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a0d1:: with SMTP id j200mr22427053qke.426.1617582982999; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 17:36:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210401145025.GA1202@naleco.com> <20210404052939.xivuinlcugqb5zde@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 20:36:10 -0400 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000018c6ca05bf2ee389" Subject: Re: [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000018c6ca05bf2ee389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 2:23 PM Clem Cole wrote: > An issue during the time you are discussing, USENIX had evolved into "two > foci" between the practitioners (which included both FOSS community and > LISA types) and the more academic-oriented folks looking for respected > places to publish papers/develop their tenure files. > I think this is a long and accelerating trend, and not just at conferences. There simply are no venues for "engineering" papers or presentations any more, which doesn't bother me directly, but bothers me very much indirectly, because I love engineering papers and have to read academic papers, ummm, very selectively. (In particular, anything labeled "formal semantics" just gets skipped.) John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org And it was said that ever after, if any man looked in that Stone, unless he had a great strength of will to turn it to other purpose, he saw only two aged hands withering in flame. --"The Pyre of Denethor" --00000000000018c6ca05bf2ee389 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Apr 4, 20= 21 at 2:23 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com<= /a>> wrote:

I think this is= a long and accelerating trend, and not just at conferences.=C2=A0 There si= mply are no venues for "engineering" papers or presentations any = more, which doesn't bother me directly, but bothers me very much indire= ctly, because I love engineering=C2=A0papers and have to read academic pape= rs, ummm, very selectively.=C2=A0 (In particular, anything labeled "fo= rmal semantics" just gets skipped.)


John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.= org
And it was said that ever after, if any man looked in that Stone= ,
unless he had a great strength of will to turn it to other purpose,he saw only two aged hands withering in flame. =C2=A0 --"The Pyre of = Denethor"

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