From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11101 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2022 19:21:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Jan 2022 19:21:12 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C54529CFD2; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 05:21:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5489CFC8; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 05:20:50 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.b="ainOMCyF"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1186C9CFC8; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 05:20:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f45.google.com (mail-wm1-f45.google.com [209.85.128.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B46249C78F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 05:20:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f45.google.com with SMTP id v123so33080wme.2 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:20:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/bcuGVeuj1v70wpGyzJv03OuVFV9NWXogKvGZL3GrcU=; b=ainOMCyFzoixW2w49MlynMrE7UIKmNJ0nEgGiG96RJ+C4eDcUxLPbuZ6gZiUe3H0iF b8bwTT9h/SE3KzJ8NeOB2tifRoTaDFbfWCCaxe2ZOMbrp2Az9GtwnFZnqfZDAmXO4iW/ joKMvl4yA6k/iZDwO8osNkwfGDdydXQyZP3zNOrMln/fWfLxQPf6thRHEC72Z4Uxx5oA ZThb4SIRkn3NsU51hjhodA2Rdv2r3+xzyoxLASoBwkUJlpoc0folFvn8f6ILzNVqNMtg EaqEBbtho6KuaDWOYMmD8+gYZBj6RrdoqXdg2RJjX/GEu5WeZH+rIifx1EnXDl3eO4FK fq+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/bcuGVeuj1v70wpGyzJv03OuVFV9NWXogKvGZL3GrcU=; b=qFzazra9IVaqYK8S7wrIaZvhRDjm00yATgARU9eMHOG2C9yu3Q1cjckA2lIu14Snr6 N2arxJF0rytUHODiYDmaWs1DKKa5zTK9ZfFCzz0hqZfAENjzydPFJTdb4Jy9gp9aRFNw C54WUGqBw2w740b2OJYV8/+zhy6i4VDM/BQDDKMXe8wCurmnm3RGvpLai4KlAjufgOJF nbxzI6H8skFx+RD3gaCZg6U6l4qrWol+oHuXHQvI6WsPu0+1M9FN3janYDXdBmN+3DYY Dw8dPpVMwgmdNPPXlLZveE7B2YCd7sk46UD6BW4L9RBzt36AGzbXwE+yijg5bhMW3JLW cXhA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533A26jib/vH64xJC+c1mredHYbfOKnkYCsoj5pl8lEZr47jO+4K wZeqx5/TcYTrIbp/eMeMTwT1PY3758ASvpFhRVfdEw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyIUf+deBhF4+Ophe1sue2RWAgjGAU6k0PFuoE0tac0lmLI2VivRzmtQDp8taR0bL5sFNVl356sNj4bkVqopsQ= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cb18:: with SMTP id u24mr3739917wmj.15.1641928845156; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:20:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20211231234039.GU31637@mcvoy.com> <20220101005605.GL75481@eureka.lemis.com> <20220101031511.GB8135@mcvoy.com> <20220111015901.GE25103@eureka.lemis.com> <4409b91cd794867d@orthanc.ca> <20220111024218.GE3441@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 14:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008ffa0105d55359a4" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Demise of TeX and groff (was: roff(7)) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Douglas McIlroy Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000008ffa0105d55359a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 10:48 AM Clem Cole wrote: > I do believe that you are correct that both the sources (and associated > binaries) to original nroff/groff and ditroff were licensed and needed and > an AT&T license, but not the documents themselves. > I assume you mean s/groff/troff/. There must have been some public access to the documentation like this that allowed James Clark to develop groff in the 1987-91 time frame, though. It's still the *roff shipped with *BSD. dformat, a pic preprocessor by Jon Bentley that displays bits-in-a-word pictures, is now available at ; it's written in awk. --0000000000008ffa0105d55359a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jan 11, 2= 022 at 10:48 AM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
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I do believe that you are correct that both the sources (and associated= binaries) to original nroff/groff and ditroff were licensed and needed and= an AT&T license, but not the documents themselves.
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I assume you mea= n s/groff/troff/.=C2=A0 There must have been some public access to the docu= mentation like this that allowed James Clark to develop groff in the 1987-9= 1 time frame, though.=C2=A0 It's still the *roff shipped with *BSD.

dformat, a = pic preprocessor by Jon Bentley that displays bits-in-a-word pictures, is n= ow available at <ht= tps://github.com/arnoldrobbins/dformat>; it's written in awk.
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