From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19970 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2022 15:00:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Sep 2022 15:00:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C7D41741; Thu, 8 Sep 2022 01:00:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-f54.google.com (mail-ua1-f54.google.com [209.85.222.54]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 879A24173D for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2022 01:00:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f54.google.com with SMTP id z26so1959981uaq.0 for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 08:00:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=QJ/fsuaD2gluEedkM3mi9d/V1+R1hkt5cZRMVWXb59U=; b=CVBqD2N0ts9qs2qFek1/51nAGU9QjfMFbaogSr8TIcsoOAqQPLhEEa5+ef7cerD7jP fn8awfbwF7mpxErC2aFExOHG9WyS749z2JVZO8y4EPK1ippcJXQzMYHBjHlOrxde2TR7 +nYk3+3XOs1psTxfvsi8xq2b6HrHTJ4/Q+u5XraHQ4pDnr8LQBFRmwdzdKt5Vq7dPHcs 5ByCehSgqcy36036a+ezAMED3f3oo40RdLW1ghh2zPCczRaO/lFCBr7CzTNJIV/8iflK yTwbLIwZiNteaVotOIYLn5/HMTu7Qg4/SPvNsuUaDwRJOKF8vrEY5WytKE/nRvjbIFeF ygUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=QJ/fsuaD2gluEedkM3mi9d/V1+R1hkt5cZRMVWXb59U=; b=h1vpk37DGyE/eFdvo1+ASEsHTWtZixsQI26CuvfEHZcuubU3VOnHqU+Jmw0VJWWwzD emI2eL4xCVkw6507PTjFr9F3qw3jrDEl7EbRLEUssThbx0FUFCJki2sv5Mo+k0mOInXV +FefPnAFHsFiRhWnQOdzy1zQeENdj03hd5vSVOIFTHMZTA5FsWsb+FHKk4qNvGOPJpt1 EZFiXRaZDXMJBd/3Z87OsufMQfezw41QqRxScx7N5laQoigbxqGXjqSLUyCKzFVGGsns lRSvObR9HLKMyi7dhrOiu+3MXGxB67xTZRI8GVsmA2sOLKe2Kx9p3T63mbTNyf86zg1X fhwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1kDYnlPDS+nkSzBEue6hBDZVTvP18OiTgmqTqKuw3G2ZuRLQeO Dl1+yfbTZRWkLGQeZ77laeRtJ/afNm7+IoipK5XytsxpAyndPg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR5mMDQzkdbYyep7BHE9nFg5KFWMZhEga9OOBbneps9tshQwTPFhVuJOF84yA6vyH3wq1jzXelN23fiCc0rFoT8= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:6308:0:b0:399:d684:999f with SMTP id a8-20020ab06308000000b00399d684999fmr1284217uap.56.1662562747576; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 07:59:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <453CCF20-3A01-4655-A956-149EDC08FA36@canb.auug.org.au> In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2022 10:58:56 -0400 Message-ID: To: steve jenkin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fc8c1505e8178d45" Message-ID-Hash: HKEQ4EOHL3E7LK2FVPHSPLRI53WI4U5O X-Message-ID-Hash: HKEQ4EOHL3E7LK2FVPHSPLRI53WI4U5O X-MailFrom: cowan@ccil.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Has this been discussed on-list? How Unix changed Software. List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000fc8c1505e8178d45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 12:01 AM steve jenkin wrote: > Since that first recession, the regard managers have for I.T. / Computing > staff - embodied in wages & conditions - has declined markedly outside > business where software & systems are their business. > Once it became clear that we are not miracle workers, we were degraded to the status of (interchangeable) clerks. --000000000000fc8c1505e8178d45 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Sep 7, 20= 22 at 12:01 AM steve jenkin <sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au> wrote:
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Since that first recession, the regard managers have for I.T. / Computing = staff - embodied in wages & conditions - has declined markedly outside = business where software & systems are their business.
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Once it became clear that we are no= t miracle workers, we were degraded to the status of (interchangeable) cler= ks.
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