From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7521 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2021 01:24:39 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Jul 2021 01:24:39 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 71DED9C9FE; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:24:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D143D9C9F1; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:23:42 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="ZtQc78Zm"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 95BFC9C9F1; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:23:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f176.google.com (mail-qk1-f176.google.com [209.85.222.176]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67D289C9F0 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:23:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id 19so15506902qky.13 for ; Sun, 04 Jul 2021 18:23:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MB3DbD7wA2h1TQzfj8Wx0HBgm8OmJa0oT2RNuKXXwCI=; b=ZtQc78Zm66vlYNxuyEuKhGrblvMTOQU+8R1HNQZFukNMZ5WmvZE87NETUL1aXXPh5O NZYlICQTfQYvRfN6vVsYJ9xPelbbBm8DKo9uHCLaegENmdB4CJfT1WuXlRFSpsdCPXYe pp0/fFdW+y1t8VE17tIePslJMnURMi062jwvMg9XK0rhXGdrgither+TzWyDMmhf0AA3 fBE06bwSHJamSDiWliZCBhP8vHfFe/MfwgwltsfZE6CVNokcRuMdtNeu4AYw+wj0lFuc TtPzntSlPOtrGzKqa54odZteTkXLl0QfgDN8sdqkPqMSOnKKF6jx7DMqCVEpspXFWvni 3w0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MB3DbD7wA2h1TQzfj8Wx0HBgm8OmJa0oT2RNuKXXwCI=; b=cpNd+F3/rEGxIR80toVgetI4lddVOb9hhWTLPfEQRDhwWXNAyNG2omoBmawavG3/XK W6jf3MtJp1q6zYlPcHh7oFuyc622AOdGqMS3SliQwOqwkN2yuQFSU1TxA9f2O81DrHo+ 5DMqOZQk9kQfMhybGCc6KeM1UH4amHKW+Z6vavTL2IQpTyc8LkTOzud6CoMHRew77DNI C5zGy3jZrVZ2s+2+X09Tp45wvN/g1Uwy44Ja3EDN4n2bxPJGUTt18J6dcjAVOvXxUQX3 +dEckuYDvBnFFxqsm1xXZBX7O7lcnhN2eHnej8e8NyVIu9EtD8No8ZZ4sIWpOu+m1wdj s16Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532o10NgQYy0m3ofL5HkAFh7KPw09feGM5xsWrHnYHUwkKPuyH6O NNLVFaxe9DuNcvC9DIMw89qbTurBG9t+Rh1lb3GRl8dihcOW2oKW99M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwmFMlqnf/2QiESC+Li3CKNumYDR7z5tP5PCxfZGrmkg3i893C45B7bKYYYPDoKClQqJ5LoqihBv1oR02mB/8s= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4e9:: with SMTP id b9mr11529056qkh.358.1625448218447; Sun, 04 Jul 2021 18:23:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210702213648.GW817@mcvoy.com> <396911b232bae5938068a14fe0f7181e@firemail.de> <20210704004757.GB24671@tau1.ceti.pl> <20210704043615.GE817@mcvoy.com> <362E120E-AAA9-4888-8592-E506169FF7BE@kdbarto.org> In-Reply-To: <362E120E-AAA9-4888-8592-E506169FF7BE@kdbarto.org> From: John Cowan Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:23:27 -0400 Message-ID: To: david@kdbarto.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a965f405c6562765" Subject: Re: [TUHS] [tuhs] The Unix shell: a 50-year view X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000a965f405c6562765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 4:11 PM David Barto wrote: > So even M$ sees that Linux could be a threat in the long term and is > making an attempt to prevent it from harming the M$ universe. > MS is making a mint letting people run Linux on Azure rent-a-boxen, which now runs on more Azure instances than Windows does. They aren't anti-Linux any more. Indeed, they are contributing to the Linux kernel now to make it run better on WSL. See, you can run your Linux code on Windows, why do you want to > run Linux now? 8^)s I think the real motivation is to get developers off Macs. Many people (including me at my last two jobs) are developing on Mac OS and deploying on Linux. With WSL, developers can develop on Linux(-on-Windows) and deploy on Linux (for reals). This also makes corporate IT happy, because they want all employees to have Windows, Office, etc. etc. John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org The Penguin shall hunt and devour all that is crufty, gnarly and bogacious; all code which wriggles like spaghetti, or is infested with blighting creatures, or is bound by grave and perilous Licences shall it capture. And in capturing shall it replicate, and in replicating shall it document, and in documentation shall it bring freedom, serenity and most cool froodiness to the earth and all who code therein. --Gospel of Tux --000000000000a965f405c6562765 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Jul 4, 20= 21 at 4:11 PM David Barto <david@kd= barto.org> wrote:
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So even M$ sees that Linux could be a threat in t= he long term and is
making an attempt to prevent it from harming the M$ universe.

MS is making a mint letting peo= ple run Linux on Azure rent-a-boxen, which now runs on more Azure instances= than Windows does.=C2=A0 They aren't anti-Linux any more.=C2=A0 Indeed= , they are contributing to the Linux kernel now to make it run better on WS= L.

See, you can run your Linux code on Windows, why do you want to
run Linux now? 8^)s

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I think the real motivation is to get devel= opers off Macs.=C2=A0 Many people (including me at my last two jobs) are de= veloping on Mac OS and deploying on Linux.=C2=A0 With WSL, developers can d= evelop on Linux(-on-Windows) and deploy on Linux (for reals).=C2=A0 This al= so makes corporate=C2=A0IT happy, because they want all employees to have W= indows, Office, etc. etc.



John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
Th= e Penguin shall hunt and devour all that is crufty, gnarly and
bogacious= ; all code which wriggles like spaghetti, or is infested with
blighting = creatures, or is bound by grave and perilous Licences shall it
capture.= =C2=A0 And in capturing shall it replicate, and in replicating shall
it = document, and in documentation shall it bring freedom, serenity and
most= cool froodiness to the earth and all who code therein. =C2=A0--Gospel of T= ux

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