From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26453 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2021 00:20:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Sep 2021 00:20:05 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 841A49C9FB; Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:20:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EA49C875; Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:19:32 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="bZSGSWUP"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6458F9C870; Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:19:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f41.google.com (mail-qv1-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A87C39BA1E for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:19:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f41.google.com with SMTP id bn14so2252386qvb.12 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2021 17:19:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=X1Ed6UtSRkDO6zd15wNNWFLkfxorNSNeIrF+J3G6+/I=; b=bZSGSWUPUplMJxKrEkS9QoFe+mNoFQsRl5rXwX5hIyteGvlbei5WMt1hTR6juSbN1X h2UIbrLBdQ+Lb8YcuvUI++IJXf99QStu9CvS2A36Ht2/9mRjdzD7Xi+ejXwPFSv25QQA 1L+KbAJyP3W6rqrbndUcLXTK4l8HFWg4/Vj7sQnDV8wbs5nep5711vpfgMuVhHrloHlt SrUijcTL0kDbjviFUpvS+MjHyTXNOXEpqPJjqWtvQom1rYvJwh18V2QzbsGWm5kQHps8 hkILrI7ggAn4geB3JM39rb2nBwOczCBMYYABSOBHdEDxdUbnaqs3njLQxJk+wt73gds3 g9WQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=X1Ed6UtSRkDO6zd15wNNWFLkfxorNSNeIrF+J3G6+/I=; b=X8ujn5t+rIb3vbxd0qJ5GZ3aZJEsdXmnZizlhOhW6pOyqysPm2qAjQPZOxDY6uOLXR qdTbQhAQgRhzt75+8qH9EMue7UWoggQTKw9JZjXP1LC11Vg+TvW0+mbtvEtNlB6YBsES nDaF/yJlZLbutZRuelgxKE1y+U27Xo7/sVL+Q0snoz3ZReA4gsQMJC6PAQysKuqkd1cb kLD4vjk7gikHDqCBf4nExuo4BRIjhQ7LLXSAdqChMH7qfw7g4h2qKNatZG6KKs9kkWwF cYRxGL4XnfTcjRFrB9XzTonkXz8ezn3yBtu3mnFIkS3zSNDDkHYvL3UexB4ovqL9NnZc 9Q7w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532NbnYVNoEf3LLEQ8KtLaIGVmdO428Mbo9MdTSxK3337CwXdR/C qJkZ75XG/sg8VPfjrvwqnd7jNfDRoUyu+yEpmNAXOw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxgRsmpLIKu1P/5tpsYqumXPcnUYzIVVcilIWE5AqHwYrvkKoXhtiDMbJu/XgGbxi7dOPG/2lW7EC76tBCxVVQ= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:a995:: with SMTP id a21mr1070041qvb.35.1630628367730; Thu, 02 Sep 2021 17:19:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 20:19:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: Tony Finch Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009e9b2605cb0c4072" Subject: Re: [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware (Timothy Roscoe) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000009e9b2605cb0c4072 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:01 AM Tony Finch wrote: > Linux was > designed for a platform that was defined by Intel and Microsoft, and the > disfunctional split that Roscoe points out is exactly the split in design > responsibilities between Intel and Microsoft. > As the saying has it: "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away." --0000000000009e9b2605cb0c4072 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable