Re: [TUHS] FreeBSD behind the times? (was: Favorite unix design principles?)

[Angus Robinson <angus@fairhaven.za.net>]

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Not entirely sure as it's been a while since iI have used it but last time
I remember TrueOS which used FreeBSD was easy to use for a newbie. There
are other FreeBSD distro's like GhostBSD,etc that have an installer like
Linux.

My 2c is that FreeBSD is not trying to get people in that are newbies, it's
for the server environment and it works extremely well.

Kind Regards,
Angus Robinson


On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 7:45 AM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Jan 2021, Larry McVoy wrote:
>
> [ Usual insightful...  insights ]
>
> > If you like ZFS you don't understand operating systems design.  I do.
>
> Indeed...
>
> > Jeff Bonwick was a stats student at Stanford when he took my OS class, I
> > convinced him to come to Sun.  Bill Moore worked for me.  That's the two
> > main ZFS guys and I thought I had taught them well but they let me down.
>
> { ... ]
>
> There's no way that I'd use ZFS; lose a block in an ordinary file, well,
> you now have a hole (but not in the file-system sense); lose a block in a
> compressed system, well...
>
> Or perhaps I'm becoming conservative in my old age; I remember when I once
> rewrote utilities that when writing a zero block merely did a seek instead
> (or something like that; you had to remember to actually write out the
> last block).  I wouldn't try it these days, as Unix file systems were
> simple back then.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > Let's try it this way.  Get back to me when you can show me 40 people
> > who have installed FreeBSD on their own, with no help.  In the same
> > time, I can show you 40,000 people who have installed Linux on their
> > own, with no help.  Probably 400,000.
>
> Well, I did (but without ZFS) on several boxes, with zero help.  Having
> had SunOS experience (4.4 was the best) helped :-)
>
> I can't stand Penguin/OS; it looks too much like Windoze for my liking
> (and does its best to be almost-Unix-but-not-quite).
>
> -- Dave, a grey-beard
>

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