From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24448 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2021 08:20:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 14 Jul 2021 08:20:55 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 980439C29F; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:20:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F6395038; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:19:30 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=fairhaven-za-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@fairhaven-za-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="b/b780dU"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 65B0795038; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:19:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f54.google.com (mail-wr1-f54.google.com [209.85.221.54]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D32FF94566 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:19:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f54.google.com with SMTP id u1so2140221wrs.1 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 01:19:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fairhaven-za-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=VF6TJadCJOIma9mwqE7tE31/fUBfmbAzCyWUUHqZfvs=; b=b/b780dUdNoCOxav+wCON2j5skVcs69JEsJWT1Fd5LTVke/un4lwyId/u7yuks8BWG /dfRhQ124kYHCq66WNcuJ0sNw8RsjJUvlKJOLSIoPYNGjZRSeZhJ8LESlBW5lyIQ4+yF bqctR6beip+NlxndcvgkTu/G/pPBQRvSsn5NenlJOOYPCssfb6e4lQQYcbuD2i3/0VgZ B7g+aV/fWprJ3BijQKi/ZTmfbZLRAJpJuDZcHRv4KUx1vBXJlk6k8Pgb1VnbmdOW4yEc YXSXcpG0ycj0k1G4Sa/Y8TF+WMFqAqFLlGBOem07u5EZMr5AIIT24K0/luLnOwclGt4S s9dg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VF6TJadCJOIma9mwqE7tE31/fUBfmbAzCyWUUHqZfvs=; b=NqRozZ5/tR6hwlNEeytL1pAm6Ml+XiH1bYLC45dX8pZm5GgV/bV7E9Q/IeQ7Hy4Vzl WVgUDVwvY0LD7EDvdklRSD/qvXZ/BOzHnjj0bIXedjHRhuPJtAo4Qio9+UBphmpQSOCP pdzA+rc7qAD7PASI2qN0M759k9Ewirx/zf5RvxsASS5NzPYzNjBx2BqgtIhjQKH7SBc0 Pnbl4lIp3RIQ/jxK+HuLZrG7U/j8kchRlM3ozhuEJhYTCWYu7T9G/Gvaambkpno42EYr YxLF974F2+95tp+/TW18QecFQUO4Tu71Lk2JAajrAWxRpBaBDcSEt2h7pLUUGzaxuwPB YToA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530ak4g01k/pZhPnqKxHzLeBfo36B4beISS4DFt5DdZsnWRCuAuI eIs5KY8TbRwZ2WpuuqAiQAL4y6WTqxUdH5ClgUU8nA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxRP2f+2FzrJAa69DBU+ksf2l9OFpPomINBzj6jenAVzi/JDXX8JSwMmQStxugHHntzgp2Z78y6/0bU5zckZoo= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5913:: with SMTP id v19mr11656786wrd.14.1626250762260; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 01:19:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <213a4c11-3ab2-4b4a-8d6b-b52105a19711@localhost> In-Reply-To: <213a4c11-3ab2-4b4a-8d6b-b52105a19711@localhost> From: Angus Robinson Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 10:19:02 +0200 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Kj=C3=B6rling?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000020e005c71103a0" Subject: Re: [TUHS] 386BSD released X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000000020e005c71103a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking at a few online sources, Linus actually said when "386BSD came out, Linux was already in a usable state, that I never really thought about switching. If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably never had happened". Although the dates differ, it seems Linux was released in 1991 Kind Regards, Angus Robinson On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:04 AM Michael Kj=C3=B6rling wrote: > On 14 Jul 2021 08:28 +1000, from dave@horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall): > > In 1992, 386BSD is released by Lynne and William Jolitz, starting the > open > > source operating system movement (Linux didn't come along under later). > > Are you sure? Wikipedia claims that it happened the other way around; > that the Linux kernel initial release was 0.02 on 5 Oct 1991, while > the 386BSD initial release was 0.0 on 12 March 1992. > > It seems that work on 386BSD began earlier than work on Linux, but > that the initial release of Linux was earlier than the initial release > of 386BSD. > > -- > Michael Kj=C3=B6rling =E2=80=A2 https://michael.kjorling.se =E2=80=A2 mic= hael@kjorling.se > =E2=80=9CRemember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a do= g?=E2=80=9D > > --0000000000000020e005c71103a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looking at a few online sources, Linus actually said when = "386BSD came out, Linux was already in a usable state, that I never re= ally thought about switching. If 386BSD had been available when I started o= n Linux, Linux would probably=C2=A0never had happened".

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Although the dates differ, it seems Linux was released in 1991


Kind Regards,Angus Robinson


On Wed, Jul 14, 202= 1 at 10:04 AM Michael Kj=C3=B6rling <michael@kjorling.se> wrote:
On 14 Jul 2021 08:28 +1000, from dave@horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall):<= br> > In 1992, 386BSD is released by Lynne and William Jolitz, starting the = open
> source operating system movement (Linux didn't come along under la= ter).

Are you sure? Wikipedia claims that it happened the other way around;
that the Linux kernel initial release was 0.02 on 5 Oct 1991, while
the 386BSD initial release was 0.0 on 12 March 1992.

It seems that work on 386BSD began earlier than work on Linux, but
that the initial release of Linux was earlier than the initial release
of 386BSD.

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Michael Kj=C3=B6rling =E2=80=A2 https://michael.kjorling.se =E2=80=A2= michael@kjorling.= se
=C2=A0=E2=80=9CRemember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a= dog?=E2=80=9D

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