From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 79e35e1a for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 49FEC9BCD8; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:37:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4651A9BC99; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:37:10 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=fairhaven-za-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@fairhaven-za-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="EuQasDs+"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4F3BF9BC99; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:37:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-f50.google.com (mail-ed1-f50.google.com [209.85.208.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 372179BC42 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:37:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-f50.google.com with SMTP id w5so2243691edl.8 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 02:37:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fairhaven-za-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7ZIqyUtLQ2VoUOepXjyPHAqvx7fmGqQftea7ZaaD0i4=; b=EuQasDs+/ne+PlDDv0kJot7+5vQ2KkSNbcH+JShYFOKNPekIujnC4m1MNFbydw55/i lrZjhj8jUyDY/TNnbt/QQDm3gJYK/P9gRFac9OcS5NzCAsP+cTtuWH9rwRR2Uk1mx0vf lvP+pR61YTAg+SfWgeYCvCEwulijPeUydiMZujBPxTetF5+2V0WRlrk29/6ILdkLvNZV G0xkOYrHHdCQ6DmvbyiGuryMGXxxwm/bgJbL+6D3jM9rWQHkMl6X5VLRAEFl4G8yzykV EnShoLQlTuoMIG1/rJdukn410JgigASAclPYvX2altsTW7Aejp6CB8RZHjb87QxWEcKS rO8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7ZIqyUtLQ2VoUOepXjyPHAqvx7fmGqQftea7ZaaD0i4=; b=LNqAaMB4FvkMR19heUoFDU0JYjGiHW1CeTkyFXp8oxnyg7wKIobQ87bG/628NOIoCr 48IDy4Li6dBQK/4Tn6t6g4TLHuJP41S1+QsO+zREHp8z77/aISLjzR82cQaNDp5yw4Gh G3oXc80T1+LIj6Pag8Yf3i4YIUJNlLHwB3ieUoiu6YZA0IUn7Qpa8aaU4chTHYOncB+8 AFOFQI+vZvsYL/CZu2B2AgcIKW4eGU5XJ5LAt3zAWIP3ebzdxTT8fJeRrl2plPvmbK0a i+2yIr0dkf+ugUAiSHbW3aywssYHmHF0seP6wc1c0iYS6dpWsOye7BoK2HrG43vbIfJz 9rEw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWkzF1v8/vqUywP6C+VTBz23ak4gSQG06Mo59NScZgymsgBXs0l zXQjGwjDcwY4pDXNgOr+Bhqd7z/e0MewzgRioKmiP5w2oio= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyZ+NDa3myCIeWOJvKyRiJLEfAN2BcvAIoYX6G4Nl71qdBG9BI3RfN/33w6oGBRQVq8bp17eHlZYZK0VAh1D84= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:65c5:: with SMTP id z5mr2216291ejn.282.1566985025679; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 02:37:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <13c5c36e-c84d-e020-d09e-51c8c502dc6d@kilonet.net> In-Reply-To: <13c5c36e-c84d-e020-d09e-51c8c502dc6d@kilonet.net> From: Angus Robinson Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 11:36:54 +0200 Message-ID: To: Arthur Krewat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d3125b05912a211c" Subject: Re: [TUHS] If not Linux, then what? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000d3125b05912a211c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Interesting question, the alternative OS would have had to have had a good leader and I am sure maybe RMS would have created a kernel after some time. Maybe somebody would have taken 386BSD/FreeBSD/NetBSD and made something completely different. I think another question would be, if Linux was never invented, what technologies would never have happened. For instance, a bunch of animation movies where made with Linux farms, Planes use Linux within their inbuilt entertainment systems, the list goes on (I think NASA uses linux on their ISS). How many people would be interested in technology/IT sector, how many companies would have started (ie: RedHat, Thwat,etc), What features/addons would not have been added to other operating systems (Windows tcp/ip)? Would docker even be a thing, hyper-v ? I know one thing....... All the old technology would be alot more and schools would have alot more vunerabilites on their PC's. On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 1:13 AM Arthur Krewat wrote: > > https://linux.slashdot.org/story/19/08/26/0051234/celebrating-the-28th-anniversary-of-the-linux-kernel > > Leaving licensing and copyright issues out of this mental exercise, what > would we have now if it wasn't for Linux? Not what you'd WANT it to be, > although that can add to the discussion, but what WOULD it be? > > I'm not asking as a proponent of Linux. If anything, I was dragged > kicking and screaming into the current day and have begrudgingly ceded > my server space to Linux. > > But if not for Linux, would it be BSD? A System V variant? Or (the > horror) Windows NT? > > I do understand that this has been discussed on the list before. I > think, however, it would make a good late-summer exercise. Or late > winter depending on where you are :) > > art k. > > > --000000000000d3125b05912a211c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interesting question, the alternative OS would have had to= have had a good leader and I am sure maybe RMS would have created a kernel= after some time.=C2=A0
Maybe somebody would have taken 386BSD/FreeBSD/= NetBSD and made something completely different.=C2=A0
I think ano= ther question would be, if Linux was never invented, what technologies woul= d never have happened. For instance, a bunch of animation movies where made= with Linux farms, Planes use Linux within their inbuilt entertainment syst= ems, the list goes on (I think NASA uses linux on their ISS). How many peop= le would be interested in technology/IT sector, how many companies would ha= ve started (ie: RedHat, Thwat,etc), What features/addons would not have bee= n added to other operating systems (Windows tcp/ip)? Would docker even be a= thing, hyper-v ?

I know one thing....... All the = old technology would be alot more and schools would have alot more vunerabi= lites on their PC's.

=C2=A0


On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 1:13 AM Arthur Krewat <krewat@kilonet.net> wrote:
https://linux.slashdot.org/story/19/08/2= 6/0051234/celebrating-the-28th-anniversary-of-the-linux-kernel

Leaving licensing and copyright issues out of this mental exercise, what would we have now if it wasn't for Linux? Not what you'd WANT it to= be,
although that can add to the discussion, but what WOULD it be?

I'm not asking as a proponent of Linux. If anything, I was dragged
kicking and screaming into the current day and have begrudgingly ceded
my server space to Linux.

But if not for Linux, would it be BSD? A System V variant? Or (the
horror) Windows NT?

I do understand that this has been discussed on the list before. I
think, however, it would make a good late-summer exercise. Or late
winter depending on where you are :)

art k.


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