From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28876 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2021 21:16:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 23 Feb 2021 21:16:35 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2910C9C7A0; Wed, 24 Feb 2021 07:16:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1040E9C6D0; Wed, 24 Feb 2021 07:16:06 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="Y3FRLg7B"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C063F9C6D0; Wed, 24 Feb 2021 07:16:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-f49.google.com (mail-ed1-f49.google.com [209.85.208.49]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6521F9C6CE for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2021 07:16:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-f49.google.com with SMTP id c6so158889ede.0 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:16:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yE/9+BRqljRiboNmM0gn1bzBi7RJP+8ybs9aKw4miWg=; b=Y3FRLg7B6kX8avAcajyXAHEjm1ruDylHGoBGme8P86qRqZFBnx97IFXC+mKYoFkjkM 1xIv7ZmXsjdPHyUFwBEidgihX5u8mEkJctIWDALUI0qHABN0y0VFZUYwfEEweP+WA0We 5kdhbzuALuFfHnLQsSCHIQV52IZ4uOd3gEFTZ4o/nkBEvdSrau1aQGQVA/HBZXMEqSaf 0S4f+zY9OuTID88s0fjCDfqGEnG55oFqfZ83kEun3QHOxyvKbSHs2yJJxghHH5sfh6TB zKF1ZY0VqteQbCnWfQMQTfHQaGvzdZcKQ8vrhgACNqLdkJWujJASa2NyhpH5obYKb2c/ 87bw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yE/9+BRqljRiboNmM0gn1bzBi7RJP+8ybs9aKw4miWg=; b=ezkaWqssbJuONzUPkmIy1NWcaWhMUrfkeYj+27+Oi6WgoYmpUIkLd+k9YuuTuzK1zW iibk1UWPigh4OzCd501Oznn+6mhv3aC9ykx9NoeJBVIA29sAl0qpjS4G+7Cmw/tYrrmE 4gqng0CumOw6yBo9R/BEHSpWyG/zsuoIAyObKafJhslaoYyjTT1RT+9AsB+oYB7R4d/D t51NsFEFJDDe0CVlfT80X7OuyU+DBGY9QGyyZGtM2BPkeoHA0TQwHppP7HWZ+bpdylWv Vuw9wQzY3PIIHzK8h8Xg07g/EIEn490i8M+AcP3XhvAEp+mt3E8HGzGpt2nB3z7VfGj5 Hdbw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530hE7FbirMP+Z3Ffe2LBoHg0DC5kAuHWvJGY61EpHjaD6kZo+N4 XIUtO8nIQX/8LKO0sI8gsPILWwhy6pCfbr9Pio1+P8RK+rw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzkV95T8WrePSBMuIcpRs0a9/J7qo93qCCr9ab5Le7i/AgXcR27Hioj3pB6MUShCdMoWCTEM3aVe4c8H6G2Jf8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:3589:: with SMTP id y9mr30536750edc.344.1614114961119; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:16:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <91696417-3233-232e-e1f4-3cb914202801@technologists.com> In-Reply-To: <91696417-3233-232e-e1f4-3cb914202801@technologists.com> From: Henry Bent Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 16:15:52 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Charles H. Sauer" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e25b1005bc076c7b" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Abstractions X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000e25b1005bc076c7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 at 16:03, Charles H. Sauer wrote: > To add to the inventory below: > Dell SVR4 /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin > NEXTSTEP/486 3.3 /bin and /usr/bin are separate > > On 2/23/2021 1:37 PM, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > > The recent discussions on the TUHS list of whether /bin and /usr/bin > > are different, or symlinked, brought to mind the limited disk and tape > > sizes of the 1970s and 1980s. Especially the lower-cost tape > > technologies had issues with correct recognition of an end-of-tape > > condition, making it hard to span a dump across tape volumes, and > > strongly suggesting that directory tree sizes be limited to what could > > fit on a single tape. > > > > I made an experiment today across a broad range of operating systems > > (many with multiple versions in our test farm), and produced these two > > tables, where version numbers are included only if the O/S changed > > practices: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Systems with /bin a symlink to /usr/bin (or both to yet another common > > directory) [42 major variants]: > > > > ArchLinux Kali RedHat 8 > > Arco Kubuntu 19, 20 Q4OS > > Bitrig Lite ScientificLinux 7 > > CentOS 7, 8 Lubuntu 19 Septor > > ClearLinux Mabox Solaris 10, 11 > > Debian 10, 11 Magiea Solydk > > Deepin Manjaro Sparky > > DilOS Mint 20 Springdale > > Dyson MXLinux 19 Ubuntu 19, 20, 21 > > Fedora Neptune UCS > > Gnuinos Netrunner Ultimate > > Gobolinux Oracle Linux Unleashed > > Hefftor Parrot 4.7 Void > > IRIX PureOS Xubuntu 19, 20 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Systems with separate /bin and /usr/bin [60 major variants]: > > > > Alpine Hipster OS108 > > AltLinux KaOS Ovios > > Antix KFreeBSD PacBSD > > Bitrig Kubuntu 18 Parrot 4.5 > > Bodhi LibertyBSD PCBSD > > CentOS 5, 6 LMDE PCLinuxOS > > ClonOS Lubuntu 17 Peppermint > > Debian 7--10 LXLE Salix > > DesktopBSD macOS ScientificLinux 6 > > Devuan MidnightBSD SlackEX > > DragonFlyBSD Mint 18--20 Slackware > > ElementaryOS MirBSD Solus > > FreeBSD 9--13 MXLinux 17, 18 T2 > > FuryBSD NetBSD 6-1010 Trident > > Gecko NomadBSD Trisquel > > Gentoo OmniOS TrueOS > > GhostBSD OmniTribblix Ubuntu 14--18 > > GNU/Hurd OpenBSD Xubuntu 18 > > HardenedBSD OpenMandriva Zenwalk > > Helium openSUSE Zorinos > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Some names appear in both tables, indicating a transition from > > separate directories to symlinked directories in more recent O/S > > releases. > > > > Many of these system names are spelled in mixed lettercase, and if > > I've botched some of them, I extend my apologies to their authors. > > > > Some of those systems run on multiple CPU architectures, and our test > > farm exploits that; however, I found no instance of the CPU type > > changing the separation or symbolic linking of /bin and /usr/bin. > > > > Solaris /bin was a symlink to /usr/bin as early as 2.5.1. 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