From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21165 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2023 13:46:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Mar 2023 13:46:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FF7412E1; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 23:46:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x132.google.com (mail-lf1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::132]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3517A412DE for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 23:46:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x132.google.com with SMTP id h25so215581lfv.6 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 06:46:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1679233588; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=XuaXNO3xeAlI8prtJdRVL1mum6tcuTvTKwRx11I3p+k=; b=gMQE6yaxcrX3ZhNMg07/1+M3KdDMWAexKdCM6H8hVB/OCYUqFk1U5qGZkwIxg3AcZY rSsBnIZF0Yw0IzLP+dxHcHejxzSCEPGKTyJ3gNBzNMmKXVPSWdQqIOSNtwSZwQk6RJx9 vgVotoCtdEz6atpBSqzdRn7n35cpalXTIfkuFK5l2rGRKzn5VP08aatyZPx334iWJ0T9 0Y8QKvuPaFgh1OJuO4FCGsAza1UNTEpV5Gjcpm0opKxRfNsIFSbIMQ6FqcoKG5NB1lX0 B1Z9qCRwVg6jBJI6uxZOqqQt0fB23Ti/16XWgiWNARhouykQ6egauXFvWg+jebHkeHht HeRQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679233588; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=XuaXNO3xeAlI8prtJdRVL1mum6tcuTvTKwRx11I3p+k=; b=QsNJrkbk/owBcHKwO4FL98ZpxduAGXUxlnflgLWqqK1o4rKZejYWchSyi10rri1VGT q8zJW1eqFJ7ihs16VZAol2UDQ9TcgKnvqA5+ghOhFdYIvCaPeJ5HdJetDomchef2JB4y 3Cxx8SZeL2QlG3Z4kbR6Njg0feBvSPzKNVmjv5wL1hyGhBe4usOm/zph8ysFU4taoCN3 Q00vHqi9siZ4yJn7/mT4WXNSqsP/fksy7kW8mwS8sDbh3ur6RbfB6SfBzjBjvsiw25VF lZbOJcv+VXAnCxBNz21eZnEbca+xGyEI73jX+NrZLXaM1/gLeCSkzJ9WnUssHkJV04zc b9Ew== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKWB96YUgVsaFsvHq4b2E5DYm1UufleG5k3L/waAKPDSaRCo8P/P jzIrIRvvcIh8VHNPuBRnXh8QTKa0W2pqdGirTGf0L4+ttXdamw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+4TaRpO79AEaLsVzaqskaaeJKjlyh7rgT/soIRd/1LyheST3kYGoLT0tmI4PMSGULrIUCBlTj4joMcyAeCfj0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:952:b0:4e8:3ef8:8b5c with SMTP id u18-20020a056512095200b004e83ef88b5cmr5893978lft.8.1679233588017; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 06:46:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Henry Bent Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 09:46:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: KenUnix Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000823c8405f7410905" Message-ID-Hash: IUBX77EKTUG242DDR6AROQFGCUGEETBE X-Message-ID-Hash: IUBX77EKTUG242DDR6AROQFGCUGEETBE X-MailFrom: henry.r.bent@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: UNIX TUHS Group X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Vax-780 with unix 2.0v2 gdts questions List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000823c8405f7410905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 09:11, KenUnix wrote: > I have succeeded in building a complete (including the extra apps) working > Vax-780 sim running unix 2.0v2 gdts except > for 2 things. > > 1) Unable to set up to be able print to the host. The device appears to > be an LP11 but the > Kernel does not have an LP device (c,major,minor) defined. The sim has an > entry for LPT. > > 2) Any way to network (Ethernet) off the sim to the host? It seems to be > possible the tools > are there, but again is not covered anywhere? > > As has been suggested before, these sorts of questions are probably much more appropriate for the SIMH mailing list. This mailing list deals with the overall history of UNIX, while the SIMH mailing list is generally more focused on the actual simulation details of these older distributions. First, it would probably be clearer for everyone if you refer to this distribution by its more common name, SVR2 (System V, Release 2). Where did you get this distribution? The one I could easily find, https://archive.org/details/vax-svr2 , has serious filesystem problems that can easily be seen by running an fsck on boot. But perhaps most importantly, what gave you the idea that there is ethernet support (or indeed networking support of any sort) in this distribution? There are no standard networking commands (ftp, telnet, rsh, etc.) and no network drivers of any sort. If you want networking support on an older OS that works for VAX SIMH, you almost certainly want to run 4.2BSD. The earliest VAX distribution that I'm aware of that has networking abilities interoperable with modern systems is 4.1C BSD, and in that case I had to backport the DEUNA driver from 4.2BSD to get something that will work with the simulated networking options available. -Henry --000000000000823c8405f7410905 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 09:11, KenUnix <= ;ken.unix.guy@gmail.com> w= rote:
I have succeeded in building a complete (incl= uding the extra apps) working Vax-780 sim running unix 2.0v2 gdts exceptfor 2 things.

1) Unable to set up to be able print to the host.=C2= =A0 The device appears to be an LP11 but the
Kernel does not have an LP = device (c,major,minor) defined. The sim has an entry for LPT.

2) Any= way to network (Ethernet) off the sim to the host? It seems to be possible= the tools
are there, but again is not covered anywhere?


As has been suggested before, these sorts of= questions are probably much more appropriate for the SIMH mailing list.=C2= =A0 This mailing list deals with the overall history of UNIX, while the SIM= H mailing list is generally more focused on the actual simulation details o= f these older distributions.

First, it would p= robably be clearer for everyone if you refer to this distribution by its mo= re common name, SVR2 (System V, Release 2).

Where = did you get this distribution?=C2=A0 The one I could easily find, https://archive.org/details/vax-s= vr2 , has serious filesystem problems that can easily be seen by runnin= g an fsck on boot.

But perhaps most importantly, w= hat gave you the idea that there is ethernet support (or indeed networking = support of any sort) in this distribution?=C2=A0 There are no standard netw= orking commands (ftp, telnet, rsh, etc.) and no network drivers of any sort= .

If you want networking support on an older OS th= at works for VAX SIMH, you almost certainly want to run 4.2BSD.=C2=A0 The e= arliest VAX distribution that I'm aware of that has networking abilitie= s interoperable with modern systems is 4.1C BSD, and in that case I had to = backport the DEUNA driver from 4.2BSD to get something that will work with = the simulated networking options available.

-H= enry
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