From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3326 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2020 04:27:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 22 Jul 2020 04:27:55 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A74BD9C8E5; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:27:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237C09C8DD; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:26:43 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="vQxE6qOG"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8BAF89C8C3; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:26:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-f43.google.com (mail-ed1-f43.google.com [209.85.208.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79EDE93D09 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:26:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-f43.google.com with SMTP id g20so621758edm.4 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:26:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lv69poD/oLaEbMDvCwspfVF6c1BoauovH4F9CZQxQjU=; b=vQxE6qOGtQxwJPOqABscfdsgObhCg/Cjy0GjrVTPm5vuUrjFTH4u/9gFVeV2Pli5Q1 K7lkl2u6wKjSxMYNqjVaNET9OegxbrKID0Efh/tvg4vdryAiKFjMzQdRu8JioJ2Yl7dN T5zIF4ULGz1w8EdI/Z6bi9dS480vQtKPsRzNPa1JpPQbLo5MvEeIvvROpDrl0Y6+LNIo gzEIhxiLPU0RaZA0KByWZh7QcQfNvfKKfY0oAoTRu7E0kbOwL1Pw/VUNdB35AAawZZNT V3vrlC4ZRyLoNvpD8B7gjJsEgD8tmlULiSnsB76+2MtjpA44TxWnImO/Y0SuVAdWkB3H OzFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lv69poD/oLaEbMDvCwspfVF6c1BoauovH4F9CZQxQjU=; b=oZqvqLluZnucCQ5UERnyn4JIP7/sxzdOsgZSWxDMxeOsAM7JhKXW2yuaVFr7Y2dQvF lT/0uYzxnk7TmC3eyX334KSVLSjLVT8Mu4aGW+CtNAQDb3AywnFgk9Uz/cf+DxJDO33D LE1QxGVW6PD1+BfkbNJl4f+Ej7v6TSyxPWkmw+Lscr3wY+nPLGtgaxbU4kHAiagKo8j5 +xe86tiP/4xFPCXVMXcWmAp3ny2RXFWhmPOLSlLYvBPgkrBmdJFmPsTaoZzuxAwQu7Eb yCvEHXfk4tBOZqOnw15cUZlveRRLsPvs62PTF/3tib7wT4moOMthTaOXX3sONZRUr6HM WuiA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533tdpHQaDWsjJgXd2UWRQJTCMgdyh4qGZk85VoIOOHPKb6NnObY HPeDS/ju4s3A1scn2oApeNo9X8iZ+jpW48bbX7Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyCYm3gnkCRv3tCRC8VjVvsRWa76fmg0h2nwuce+IVjPVcVMwjcXqdiv73S/q9EW2B5Apz71xhYeDV1rhCWZjQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:542:: with SMTP id i2mr29859158edx.318.1595391999122; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:26:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200717180831.5D4AB43F88@lignose.oclsc.org> <20200717195358.GA14847@minnie.tuhs.org> <20200717195718.GM18565@mcvoy.com> <77c0536b-87b8-44dd-96fd-76d8ceba30f2@localhost> <2135afdb-db52-05d2-9af6-24ad36367db3@tnetconsulting.net> <40a70393-894a-4b21-8678-a71bbca4aa69@localhost> <8e7efd45-a84e-cf20-9d30-8222357596a3@tnetconsulting.net> <202007200847.06K8l8DF026646@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Henry Bent Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 00:26:29 -0400 Message-ID: To: Jason Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000062a17b05ab0025df" Subject: Re: [TUHS] A/UX [was Linux is on-topic] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000062a17b05ab0025df Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jason wrote: > > A/UX boots macOS, then loads a loader app that takes over the machine and > boots the kernel. The emulator Shoebill =E2=80=9Ccheats=E2=80=9D and rea= ds the kernel from > the UFS disk directly and jumps to that. > > That was always really funny to me. Your machine boots MacOS, presumably because it was easier to let it deal with hardware initialization than to rewrite it, then hands control over to A/UX which promptly runs MacOS as a Unix process. Which you can kill. Oberlin College had a Workgroup Server 95, basically a repurposed Quadra 950, running as an AppleShare file server for a significant number of users. That was how Apple was marketing these things, and thinking about it - use our Unix to serve your MacOS boxes! But we have no real interest in Unix, just buy more MacOS boxes! See: Apple Network Server. I remember my father mentioning talking to someone from Apple at a USENIX, probably late '80s or very early '90s, and them admitting that A/UX was essentially a glorified public beta. That might have been in the A/UX 1.0 or 2.0 timeframe but it says a lot about the sorts of resources Apple was dedicating to the idea. -Henry --00000000000062a17b05ab0025df Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jason <<= a href=3D"mailto:jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com">jsteve@superglobalmegacorp= .com> wrote:
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A/UX boots macOS, then loads a loader a= pp that takes over the machine and boots the kernel.=C2=A0 The emulator Sho= ebill =E2=80=9Ccheats=E2=80=9D and reads the kernel from the UFS disk direc= tly and jumps to that.


That was always really funny to me.=C2=A0 Your machine boots MacOS,= presumably because it was easier to let it deal with hardware initializati= on than to rewrite it, then hands control over to A/UX which promptly runs = MacOS as a Unix process.=C2=A0 Which you can kill.

Oberlin College had a Workgroup Server 95, basically a repurposed Quadra 9= 50, running as an AppleShare file server for a significant number of users.= =C2=A0 That was how Apple was marketing these things, and thinking about it= - use our Unix to serve your MacOS boxes!=C2=A0 But we have no real intere= st in Unix, just buy more MacOS boxes!=C2=A0 See: Apple Network Server.

I remember my father mentioning talking to someone fr= om Apple at a USENIX, probably late '80s or very early '90s, and th= em admitting that A/UX was essentially a glorified public beta.=C2=A0 That = might have been in the A/UX 1.0 or 2.0 timeframe but it says a lot about th= e sorts of resources Apple was dedicating to the idea.

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-Henry
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