From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4316 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2021 16:34:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Apr 2021 16:34:43 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CB8229C87E; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 02:34:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7D19C87B; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 02:34:12 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="d5VLoVKo"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 171359C87B; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 02:34:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-f49.google.com (mail-pj1-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46F559C87A for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 02:34:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-f49.google.com with SMTP id gj14so1216700pjb.5 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 09:34:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=JmozN6pz4iu6Jd5UHDt37pKYAAiBI1sLxVKC5Wv63XE=; b=d5VLoVKoSqFnfBWrygh6/+s8071F39mHxZbymJQy+zCMVx3QkVS3eeFN489SABYlvi Wr6AvET3vIapi+coBIL2Vj/RnomfXcBZ5el6SeAxKnQtrBUfXH5P6Ti+B6TXY4XMRWGu LE6x1KsDiPGR+EGEybUrkFK9qW2+QdAbwQAAKpD8U9043yhgMzNLVFPc+wf15qVaPd9y 9PtQATtOp2W8DzFwwr/1DZlc0EyTv6rhGdeQExzrpcGRiWGZooyxHng2ElQFPvvHL9tR sHDvGwv1e1KSzErjfU81mJlto5yykpFfYMDfvmEtrIbvse/ZDm1M8HG6/bX/yuJuRS3z W9jA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JmozN6pz4iu6Jd5UHDt37pKYAAiBI1sLxVKC5Wv63XE=; b=dVp+mR+GQXZthoxzYm9IMJny16N+Uy3Cj7eqiJ/Fmu1zjbIGCCta3MiMOtZG4z74Fn Alh5Zy6ybVGgfzVZ/NTnYL/F13gm8agbBs/JBoOkFDPxZE5oIHRNzKhLXLx6iFd5+r5l fxIbSY5dl/DSXEyh1qsbhl16m2aJd6PQ+3FnKC6cvpb87QPLBvb8l5hYcF9eU4TiO8dT qklscSqF8AZZF52g3e7+riT6olhG5qG7hTmdAC14kaFjLwKi+X1mOQpuBcdAc2+h1ZSn zESUwvB/ecki2PfGzHKVTFWzkLhME+GIPnh3kw1u2jBhb1ZXLyWAIHSoz4uDU3Qb0vOG NbWg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533O0MKA0RVNmUCcqJfvapCDpNLSo5nVtuIaZZOMIiN/RcHV8hSr ZaFVwfuVL79ZPoWmqi0VwghGFmhNTeN8TXxGg1Kiw/Z2Bwg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz31NdND/L04q1VXYFfWqpN/y5MSj8cHxM+Jem2rhcJ1JIWWWbAcwMz6haMYyXTBHQNd482iFFlRoVHtBZiwB8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:e54e:: with SMTP id ei14mr16060565pjb.142.1619627648554; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 09:34:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Henry Bent Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:33:57 -0400 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a9239405c10af205" Subject: Re: [TUHS] How to install 4.3BSD Quasijarus on VAXStation 4000 VLC? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000a9239405c10af205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The support just plain isn't there. There isn't anything in src/sys/vax for any 4000 machine, there isn't LANCE ethernet support in src/sys/vaxif, I don't see any mention of any 53C* SCSI controllers anywhere in the source tree, etc. As Hans said, you're stuck with the older big iron and the older MicroVAXes. Heck, even adding support for the 4000/200 (still a pure Q-Bus machine) looks like it would be a fair amount of work. -Henry On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 at 12:23, Clem Cole wrote: > Henry - any idea is you add: cpu "VAX4000" > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 12:17 PM Henry Bent > wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 at 12:01, Hans Rosenfeld < >> rosenfeld@grumpf.hope-2000.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> Are you sure that 4.3BSD Quasijarus supports running on a 4000VLC, or >>> utilizing SCSI devices? Last time I looked it didn't support anything >>> newer than the pure QBus MicroVAXen and VAXstations, and the only SCSI >>> devices supported were those on MSCP-to-SCSI controllers. >>> >>> >> Indeed, on Quasijarus the GENERIC config file only supports (see >> https://github.com/abs0/4.3BSD-Quasijarus/blob/main/sys/conf/GENERIC.vax >> ): >> cpu "VAX8600" >> cpu "VAX8200" >> cpu "VAX780" >> cpu "VAX750" >> cpu "VAX730" >> cpu "VAX630" >> cpu "VAX650" >> >> I think the only Unix to ever support the VLC was NetBSD, or maybe some >> versions of OpenBSD did too? >> >> -Henry >> > --000000000000a9239405c10af205 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The support just plain isn't there.=C2=A0 There i= sn't anything in src/sys/vax for any 4000 machine, there isn't LANC= E ethernet support in src/sys/vaxif, I don't see any mention of any 53C= * SCSI controllers anywhere in the source tree, etc.=C2=A0 As Hans said, yo= u're stuck with the older big iron and the older MicroVAXes.=C2=A0 Heck= , even adding support for the 4000/200 (still a pure Q-Bus machine) looks l= ike it would be a fair amount of work.

-Henry<= br>

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 at 12:23, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
Henry - any id= ea is you add:=C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &q= uot;VAX4000"

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 12:17 PM Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.= com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 at 12:01, Hans Ros= enfeld <rosenfeld@grumpf.hope-2000.org> wrote:

Are you sure that 4.3BSD Quasijarus supports running on a 4000VLC, or
utilizing SCSI devices? Last time I looked it didn't support anything newer than the pure QBus MicroVAXen and VAXstations, and the only SCSI
devices supported were those on MSCP-to-SCSI controllers.


Indeed, on Quasijarus the GENERIC conf= ig file only supports (see https://github.com/a= bs0/4.3BSD-Quasijarus/blob/main/sys/conf/GENERIC.vax):
cpu = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "VAX8600"
cpu =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "VAX8200"
cpu =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "VAX780"
cpu =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "VAX750"
cpu =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "VAX730"
cpu =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 "VAX630"
cpu =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 "VAX650"

I think the only Unix to ev= er support the VLC was NetBSD, or maybe some versions of OpenBSD did too?

-Henry
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