From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17836 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2021 23:10:31 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Aug 2021 23:10:31 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 544079D540; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 09:10:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFE89D52B; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 09:10:05 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="BpsrsPmE"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 288B79D52B; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 09:10:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-f44.google.com (mail-pj1-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 147729D52A for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 09:10:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-f44.google.com with SMTP id oa17so8252686pjb.1 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 16:10:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Olq8FvNEfDSq9Yo+Ch3QJtD1G7s10uAj9akuqIUQtko=; b=BpsrsPmEGwPdiD/DFKC8nrLQBUY4s+duGUZ5FZmaxUcvshd0fPmAKI0jHBADiFFW4O eR4OzviT3hhC8uYoEXBaOdFh619elNdrniTUIABCmju/x1B/7rPlNy4K43pKGXYLKHso 9uggJ3rJPwq5gOyFTWXZqR7qEy45si/pcJ4wSWaO8petWUpli+W7kir7h8j3GTvuk4pc IlRQYtNro09I+e16Hj1Fun99vJSKkmi8uUklaVaCQApG5MAWKvBq97IVjRt9ldofykob E2RjKPzaGVVHadDz1uoiciRjoVOF6UPW71hRx4eU08jFhKTTKFyKQ317ksyPErxwR0yC SkqQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Olq8FvNEfDSq9Yo+Ch3QJtD1G7s10uAj9akuqIUQtko=; b=sNsTVhKhxAOpQjxSQhkWa/WlrW9g3BCObOfqdt2waicwrQEwHawwwMyK/PtMKftWfq +U7f6bYT1zfvfxgUtTiPVih/LL1wLi0s3G1dM8IDX/BntaTX3c3CyluKy68LdL/GOeK/ OpCZTgZoocOXchDOxu1wcAkp137QZ78gNGB7I8EJZo5LsEVoadLIF///JqJ7qUxcIQHi EQNyoUqS1P98RR4X+YLWYt8QiXxUubXgrKG1lJW2sbKfgAuqYHl8hJqAEvdIB5rMR2bL mT9QUmQYtN5zPAoRDnSkgU3mVDCnttfDKCX0BnF+j8rZwSG/m5k7gHTZGWgdIclFDM1p WWYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531li7HG4vPyISkgZJscjd8XtbrNCqZwGetknt0J+XQ3157jMz/4 8cL9tC9QDCLFAa+AH9ZUcTp6GIuroQX+p+qu+pIRS0MRfiM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx2onir3aVnhGeWJ7H9gpyojCsnDZQoWg9tsq+Nzyjdbhje8d+1dcFMI1i3uDVVHUjpjDQQWIpbHjNnSCcbFXw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:cf81:: with SMTP id i1mr23170430pju.76.1630278601528; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 16:10:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202108292212.17TMCGow1448973@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <202108292212.17TMCGow1448973@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Henry Bent Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 19:09:50 -0400 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000edd95005cabad061" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Is it time to resurrect the original dsw (delete with switches)? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Unix Heretics Society mailing list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000edd95005cabad061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 at 18:13, Jon Steinhart wrote: > I recently upgraded my machines to fc34. I just did a stock > uncomplicated installation using the defaults and it failed miserably. > > Fc34 uses btrfs as the default filesystem so I thought that I'd give it > a try. > ... cut out a lot about how no sane person would want to use btrfs ... > > Or, as Saturday Night Live might put it: And now, linux, starring the > not ready for prime time filesystem. Seems like something that's been > under development for around 15 years should be in better shape. > To my way of thinking this isn't a Linux problem, or even a btrfs problem, it's a Fedora problem. They're the ones who decided to switch their default filesystem to something that clearly isn't ready for prime time. -Henry --000000000000edd95005cabad061 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 at 18:13, Jon Steinha= rt <jon@fourwinds.com> wrote= :
I recently upgraded my machines to fc34.=C2=A0 I just did a st= ock
uncomplicated installation using the defaults and it failed miserably.

Fc34 uses btrfs as the default filesystem so I thought that I'd give it=
a try.

... cut out a lot about how no = sane person would want to use btrfs ...

Or, as Saturday Night Live might put it:=C2=A0 And now, linux, starring the=
not ready for prime time filesystem.=C2=A0 Seems like something that's = been
under development for around 15 years should be in better shape.

To my way of thinking this isn't a Linux prob= lem, or even a btrfs problem, it's a Fedora problem.=C2=A0 They're = the ones who decided to switch their default filesystem to something that c= learly isn't ready for prime time.

-Henry
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