From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3997 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2023 17:54:23 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Feb 2023 17:54:23 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFAD423D3; Thu, 2 Feb 2023 03:53:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-f45.google.com (mail-lf1-f45.google.com [209.85.167.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE534423C1 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2023 03:53:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-f45.google.com with SMTP id j17so30481824lfr.3 for ; Wed, 01 Feb 2023 09:53:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=fOjRcqvJ5mPsQZuNV9p9LkW+2gL3GFYnBLtXdrXGKpU=; b=PMbj/m+PhVKIG79nvi5a0herlnnAHm83qdABSr5JB7OAzsycltmelpkoB0F4F3hnet wPcUGJ8EA2egZel84/JU6e89kDqTEixQLBI3Z2JTwSUJJ6EtGUVRrXJg06bnkVGn2Jrg sODZcLbpekd5SK8bhGQw5e2pLeNf30wTxLuq1ZBq9xvOCUzhK+cCI4wJJZU4BMLUCcDR kyTgH7v0yQ/Fw0X71IFMreTkoJzH3YhuZugeA89HOhBZhsj8wRx9opuksHZkUEDnfBMS Y8472fRznrhjvOMZkeIeqRtnXPSk+S2nOadQ0+ofNnF8flgeCVCpYoixysUXK0gTRG7l 9Iow== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=fOjRcqvJ5mPsQZuNV9p9LkW+2gL3GFYnBLtXdrXGKpU=; b=CUNJs6Hl+C0HgBSfBbuEEump5JIXwCBc6bW2UZ+PKfbE35iNQOlF4KF9l6uE/MSsg6 Ro+cn2YKqq8a0rveVuT9HSvkEd3MzeyGpcVdMIyTckCcfYPhNtyX72qEQB6PEnCJ9iEe 3ipD7GP3FgIFb387nPqaX7uE+W59FGTnHGhO9nuwR60OXkA9qpGMp515Lt4M/HRZOA4r pEpKWHm+K1dAjJugdQ61eF4W7+HMNEwnHIt7u2lMXyZ5Pj2XMvTSr14evhP+W0Y5UazN dthJaJmyWrKEwE79eTSp30VPbT6m4q4GdO3W4ZeqH6YSxjgRTB4YaAgSuSchOmUC8BCc F0Tw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXkbXXM7Gu9KTeq73wdHZVC6rONMBjgKojPiUAsdyL0uieINCEu ddJIvyOPJgP2e1T4O/Ecvqn12DnP+1udkjUtYee6lX7I X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set8B3tjg4OM8AkfEcMtQYJRdiYXbzoH9OqMH5asVBO6Rq6MTqKeM5f+lj7QVEEFQ2jstW3pQ9WBEjmdzoVbhA4U= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3da0:b0:4b5:1545:2229 with SMTP id k32-20020a0565123da000b004b515452229mr508336lfv.113.1675273956873; Wed, 01 Feb 2023 09:52:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Henry Bent Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2023 12:52:26 -0500 Message-ID: To: Will Senn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000019db5405f3a71d0d" Message-ID-Hash: JREHK3DPC6AWQLWQF74QC2I4R2NHLA7U X-Message-ID-Hash: JREHK3DPC6AWQLWQF74QC2I4R2NHLA7U X-MailFrom: henry.r.bent@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Unix game origins - stories similar to Crowther's Adventure List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000019db5405f3a71d0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 at 21:32, Will Senn wrote: > All, > > I just saw this over on dragonflydigest.com: > > https://0j2zj3i75g.unbox.ifarchive.org/0j2zj3i75g/Article.html > > It's an article from 2007 about the history and genesis of the Colossal > Cave Adventure game - replete with lots of pics. What I found fascinating > was that the game is based on the author's actual cave explorations vis a > vis the real Colossal Cave. Gives you a whole new appreciation for the game. > My uncle, Richard Zopf, did extensive exploration of Mammoth Cave with Will Crowther. My understanding is that Colossal Cave was truly impressive in its ability to replicate the real situations that the cavers faced, especially given the limitations of the storage and processing abilities of the machines at the time. To my mind this stands well apart from the more rudimentary early computer games which were very math/logic driven vs. the concept of an "open world" exploration. -Henry --00000000000019db5405f3a71d0d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 at 21:32, Will Senn &= lt;will.senn@gmail.com> wrote= :
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All,

I just saw this over on dragonflydigest.com:

https://0j2zj3i75g.unbox.ifarchive.org/0j2zj3i75g/A= rticle.html

It's an article from 2007 about the history and genesis of the Colossal Cave Adventure game - replete with lots of pics. What I found fascinating was that the game is based on the author's actual cave explorations vis a vis the real Colossal Cave. Gives you a whole new appreciation for the game.

My uncle, Richard Zopf, did extensive exploration of= Mammoth Cave with Will Crowther.=C2=A0 My understanding is that Colossal C= ave was truly impressive in its ability to replicate the real situations th= at the cavers faced, especially given the limitations of the storage and pr= ocessing abilities of the machines at the time.=C2=A0 To my mind this stand= s well apart from the more rudimentary early computer games which were very= math/logic driven vs. the concept of an "open world" exploration= .

-Henry
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