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From: henry.r.bent@gmail.com (Henry Bent)
Subject: [TUHS] Source code abundance?
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 20:01:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEdTPBfzOfuecAMQV803oPJ7Z5kd7yCOXw8hZwY29GMwpxuLaQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1488585378.58ba02a237271@www.paradise.net.nz>

On 3 March 2017 at 18:56, Wesley Parish <wes.parish at paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>
> And since the central Unix source trees have been static - I don't think
> Novell was much more than a
> caretaker, correct me if I'm wrong - and the last SysVR4 release of any
> consequence was Solaris - has
> Oracle done anything with it? - I think the best thing for all would be
> the release of the Unix SysV
> source trees under a suitable open source license.


There was an SVR5, even if it was not nearly the popular product that its
predecessors were.  While development certainly slowed, it contained some
amount of technological progression.  Obviously at this point development
has stopped completely and it probably does make sense to open source that
code base.


> (I've made a similar argument for the IBM/MS OS/2,
> DEC VAX VMS, and MS Windows and WinNT 3.x and 4.x source trees on various
> other Internet forums:
> the horse has bolted, it's a bit pointless welding shut the barn door now.
> Better to get the credit for
> being friendly and open, and clear up some residual bugs while you're at
> it ... )


Equating VMS, old versions of Windows, etc. isn't quite the same.  Even old
versions of those products may well include source that contains, or is
believed by its owners to contain, novel ideas or novel implementations of
existing ideas that may have survived relatively unchanged in newer
versions.  And because there is at least a reasonably sized user base for
all of the products you mentioned, corporate customers have an interest in
protecting their investment, and the software creators have an interest in
responding to the desires (or perceived desires) of their customers.

Don't get me wrong - I'd love to see a legal release of the VMS 5 source,
or Windows 3 source, or classic Macintosh source.  I'm just not holding my
breath.  I think the community's time would be better spend advocating for
source releases of products that are truly dead or all but dead.

-Henry
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-04  1:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-03 20:06 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-03 20:28 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-03 23:12   ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-03 23:56   ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-04  0:29     ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-04  1:01     ` Henry Bent [this message]
     [not found]       ` <CAH1jEzZPonQuq_4YJWN=cpaB9J8q2+TU-zRWx+Bg+29SUvfOVQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-04  3:23         ` Nick Downing
2017-03-04 10:04   ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-04 16:28     ` Clem Cole
2017-03-04 16:34       ` Clem Cole
2017-03-05 19:15       ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-05 19:25         ` Warner Losh
2017-03-05 19:55           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06  9:35             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-06  0:13         ` Josh Good
2017-03-05 15:44     ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-05 18:26       ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-05 18:55         ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-05 19:10           ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-05 21:36             ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-05 22:03               ` Mutiny 
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-03-08 12:26 Doug McIlroy
2017-03-04 15:39 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-04 16:02 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-04 17:53 ` Jacob Goense
2017-03-04 18:37   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-04 18:38     ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-04 20:39   ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-04 21:05     ` Jacob Goense
2017-03-05 17:54 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-05 18:24   ` Mutiny 
2017-03-01 18:01 Arthur Krewat
2017-03-01 18:07 ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-01 18:13 ` Henry Bent
2017-03-01 18:27   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-01 19:18     ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-01 19:25       ` Henry Bent
2017-03-01 19:29         ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-01 19:32           ` Henry Bent
2017-03-01 19:49           ` Random832
2017-03-01 19:51             ` Warner Losh
2017-03-01 20:18             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-01 20:28           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-01 20:32             ` Warner Losh
2017-03-02 13:55             ` Paul Ruizendaal
2017-03-02 14:15               ` Jim Capp
2017-03-02  1:22 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-02  6:50   ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-02 13:36     ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-04  3:29 ` Warren Toomey
2017-03-04 12:51   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-06 15:33 ` Angelo Papenhoff
2017-03-06 15:57   ` ron minnich
2017-03-06 16:20     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-06 22:52       ` Clem Cole
2017-03-07  6:52         ` Angelo Papenhoff
2017-03-07 13:25           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06 16:21     ` Dan Cross
2017-03-06 16:45       ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-06 20:50         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-07 15:07           ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-07 15:13             ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-07 15:28               ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-07 19:44                 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-06 18:00       ` ron minnich
2017-03-06 18:22         ` Dan Cross
2017-03-06 19:24         ` Nemo
2017-03-06 16:48     ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06 15:57   ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06 22:29     ` ron minnich
2017-03-06 22:59       ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06 23:31         ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-06 23:32           ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-06 23:44             ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-06 23:48               ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-06 23:53                 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-07  0:42             ` Warren Toomey
2017-03-07  0:33           ` Random832
2017-03-07  0:50         ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06 16:19   ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-06 19:06     ` Paul Ruizendaal
2017-03-06 20:32       ` ron minnich
2017-03-06 19:36     ` Warren Toomey
2017-03-06 20:17       ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-06 22:19         ` Warren Toomey

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