From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1f6f2008 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 22:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 021649B8A6; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 08:14:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB95C9B892; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 08:14:20 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="E1FwNwDM"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 32FB19B892; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 08:14:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f46.google.com (mail-ot1-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09F249B891 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 08:14:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f46.google.com with SMTP id s5so10611684oth.7 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2019 14:14:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gI+ys1mP3Wt67RVoF7MEc+3YDsHo88J6N4/IbZfMq+Q=; b=E1FwNwDM0rhkELMkzdagoaAOKFpIiuLtJD/YapJlZfNmcHDAKuPKfg7LLZHdCibp9l LyABWeTctEfWUbOttoJRE8l1DCASoHE/oWboqCDkt73uFlakzlkZA57yCptvxlFZ82Ey 9R6jKtZrWYC+6psL0sOZBxp+lanzVKAhCF76l7JVgyrYN2W3j2v/7HFAABiOOPLKmLKc 7x0m5Rgu2F/aTHtMUvju8D2TmQdcNb9QDgDvFE5s2Llt6l4cRJ+C4wh+u6/vlL2tP6vh hCKs3VzCC58ZpQpGPalgVp8oUtyLuZyJcWhLssftp7RFGVjJ49t49tHvsQeSI+iCo8un bfCg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gI+ys1mP3Wt67RVoF7MEc+3YDsHo88J6N4/IbZfMq+Q=; b=oiOFYofw3M9NBcRd/4/GWyG0ke1BBdaWQlndVeuJ1/j59690k0HVaNSXv3FgiLaAVy oxFMMXsLu6nuLV0/pgHVsV1mpIRXbW3r/aUbN6M2m6XP2zLN4Ex7WdTHRmuq15L9v59s vnSggf3gD0+SPdkUuA3pqXrdsSdiHjKqr+QmCG2/SSgYrkaw6lVHDTYbiMowmCgjqY6t Jm8SgcLfAJ4/UJpzupwfw7+ERs1VpJEmV22Sev0qPqDoTK2x/R/Tg+9Ry3ap4sGVCYol 2PuvBeKBFgprUKULqoVhwMh5uopKB+zuDu7Z1BVC9Oai/0zPSgzRWxgs98flY00ZfGC4 ZeeA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukf7KahBJ1BYO9Y/NfIZ1ZqiP+evt+S1rEhL1AC9dMRuVHFfyrfy Ft22+pqrZJzf70YuIgePqqUTglGDcSobGP8G7KBe0g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN5nDL1UU0ZUMfmdX3SZTF09WRCpE2ldRhK3zsdAL2FDI+siaI1bcEOkI/BpxXJz/UUZymr64CgYv0ZCYiYokIM= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:137:: with SMTP id 52mr36291521otu.307.1549232056301; Sun, 03 Feb 2019 14:14:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Henry Bent Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 17:14:05 -0500 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000063fb47058104b2c8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Commercial UNIX was other stuff before X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000063fb47058104b2c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 16:00, Clem Cole wrote: > BTW: this attitude was nothing new. I've said it before, the greatest > piece of marketing DEC ever did was convince the world that VMS Fortran was > Fortran-77. It was not close. And when you walked into most people > writing real production code (in Fortran of course), you discovered they > had used all of the VMS Fortran extensions. When the UNIX folks arrived > on the scene the f77 in Seventh Edition was not good enough. You saw first > Masscomp in '85, then a year later Apollo and 2 years after that, Sun > develop really, really good Fortran's -- all that were VMS Fortran > compatible. > This code was apparently so pervasive and long-lived that the GNU Fortran compiler added compatibility for DEC extensions less than two years ago, in version 7. There must be enough demand for DEC's additions to have made it worthwhile. -Henry --00000000000063fb47058104b2c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 16:00, Clem Cole &l= t;clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
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BTW:=C2=A0 this attitude was nothing ne= w.=C2=A0 I've said it before, the greatest piece of marketing DEC ever = did was convince the world that VMS Fortran was Fortran-77.=C2=A0 It was no= t close.=C2=A0 =C2=A0And when you walked into most people writing real prod= uction code (in Fortran of course), you discovered they had used all of the= VMS Fortran extensions.=C2=A0 =C2=A0When the UNIX folks arrived on the sce= ne the f77 in Seventh Edition was not good enough.=C2=A0 You saw first Mass= comp in '85, then a year later Apollo and 2 years after that, Sun devel= op really, really good Fortran's -- all that were VMS Fortran compatibl= e.

Th= is code was apparently so pervasive and long-lived that the GNU Fortran com= piler added compatibility for DEC extensions less than two years ago, in ve= rsion 7.=C2=A0 There must be enough demand for DEC's additions to have = made it worthwhile.

-Henry
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