From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2079 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2022 15:20:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Nov 2022 15:20:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312E44025D; Sat, 5 Nov 2022 01:19:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f170.google.com (mail-lj1-f170.google.com [209.85.208.170]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9784440131 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2022 01:19:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f170.google.com with SMTP id t10so6873893ljj.0 for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2022 08:19:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vl8IhNczDcEPUL7OH4gbWcW42ZdcxBn1/zILA76it7s=; b=hm6LUcyN+8s/DJwFLnnCLrdbKp9bsy9QsQxpaVuuIDLURZ+ywxkAULMUFVZCfx9XSi Y6rLCgFZ3cb8e6vQQ8jqb/8nyyxmxAlMJKbubcUR8nFfv7Wqn+djkMb/FsKHb2nOCTvF 72Sl/qxlgGnL0yIPF6zCTzYP9VX+1cmCriO8dpR7g7g2394KceRq52b70NtD69p6NX3n AY9XKyrk0KVvzBtnNJZIy9pJBnvdeOxfzjRAWDhc40D++TWEA/sAxunX7myhd6lZwkb3 uLOnJ8B46TS1doNgDQu8CAF5nLgmsm9YnJt2BY+XjCLJcficJ/vj6zyNbTVP/96JOq47 IDRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=vl8IhNczDcEPUL7OH4gbWcW42ZdcxBn1/zILA76it7s=; b=Jy58xGmKVt+NcQRdsfHNYvYN5zos/qlFVPkOEZKxdtt6MZ5pEKsUlr5q5hOuDHs0X9 NMSRwjpXVGjSU7sVrCCvGKI5uXNeoUCY9kHaLn28rm+rwsSmgnc31yvHC7RhWTZDneCY B5gNsaf4tQtjdkM9YtYiEBRedmWnyN3WAROFQk+8kYtQtd+McHZpWRDCP54UZ+AxjbvH Pk/nVZNcly0jd4LmGznOzKRgEwWP6sXc26e42Bt5dOhLEFGPj4PKKHcLN1e+eS/gbzSo fK+iNtNo7+IiG55iIeLb7kyWazeal8t7a9KCKGfQUVD7uWpOxLcSphqcHK7/yxjd01YG M62A== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0OHD3zW/LJmQZRR2O6Iaj78PUF1JcSO/DsvyqtEEXOzoGssVw6 c5sBTE2cuHqocAAZJn4ihh1u+DXLmGNKY289IWI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4R6c5igNOyckC0EM9Apmcv/CzT5i+dn6n8ySJw+Xw9Ip3AiSW1L+ZPwmcGTmcEGkQ+JqZKhDec7eEb21JdGDs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:1c3:b0:277:1d47:f5c8 with SMTP id d3-20020a05651c01c300b002771d47f5c8mr2155723ljn.380.1667575132572; Fri, 04 Nov 2022 08:18:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7b249e68-de74-2c81-32b0-18ecb74a85ec@aueb.gr> <7wv8nv1apu.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> In-Reply-To: <7wv8nv1apu.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> From: Dan Cross Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 11:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lars Brinkhoff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: MHWEUQICQZIR7Y5CDN2ZPPZYU5BW655Y X-Message-ID-Hash: MHWEUQICQZIR7Y5CDN2ZPPZYU5BW655Y X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: vi in cooked mode? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 2:43 AM Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Clem Cole wrote: > > probably the next was Zimmerman (a.k.a. CCA) EMACS, then GNU hacked > > Gosling's version (that strange trip has been discussed elsewhere and > > I'll not add it here). Zimmer's version was 'truer' to the original > > MIT/PDP-10 version from ITS than Gosling but Steve had built it when > > he worked for CCA so it was licensed (which we had a Masscomp and made > > available to our customers). > > I recently found a copy of CCA Emacs. It's from 1983 and does not yet > have the Elisp extension language. CCA was bought by Rocket Software, > so they own it now. I asked permission to put it online, but > unfortunately they said no. Out of curiosity, did they say why? It's hard to imagine it holds much commercial value now. Was it some kind of IP ownership thing? - Dan C.