From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784C22D5F1 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:57:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7AC437A5; Wed, 2 Oct 2024 00:56:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x231.google.com (mail-lj1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::231]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A2EB437A2 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2024 00:56:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x231.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2fabd2c4ac0so39496401fa.1 for ; Tue, 01 Oct 2024 07:56:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1727794611; x=1728399411; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=dJZRLjCYSa37R5HZ0z1MR1QWUUYDAup9FX61x5zVmN4=; b=ZYxG5qEJT5MXiI/XM0jREGSZkVaoBksPCzO+Ej7aMfSX1u9g//gUZDksF83fvvUdSD y1MCX2eNsCXv7Qf+brv5aAtnVzEeqkpRMEkmeZXbCuK8EZyXoUV4ZJRvAhKSTDYIDMLl OpXQmr55TK9j8aoFW5FS1GtWkbArB1BtXsm4CmPUbkk+r3fECfTMivtgAhaIqToRls2B FPYNxj4q18CqPCdCx2Q1AANrL1bO+h3LQ5HQBZZhhigEk2HlYO4ofHg/4VyyW8FcHg4l qwOzeQAhuU1/A0aM5dRTGMPdjAZ5tMtqw3pfD/3KymqlUq9aQIw5NjHL9p7H5UaZRnFX XTYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1727794611; x=1728399411; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=dJZRLjCYSa37R5HZ0z1MR1QWUUYDAup9FX61x5zVmN4=; b=aMQ/6T6OXE7l1kfZzkld0/5hYhzL7pJnVtoaohu6UNWnggBF3x3TYnUka9y0CCTkJS 4XPTtFrPvgxgtIszAjlgxZ+XMrRlmTxgpWO5jSwYXqX4msFXxKSWOCPfp1f3jjncrZmW gmxeU3FFlqobUx1J6Qgzyfeok4r/BSs1U7hCc+oqn2hobDq9OKyo8ia3xyGjP7EOTBeV uJxDlU8SUUseYf4UpHrRrrCjH02OPJrWzhgVS1tIqrmdwrJinzgn/++ixfkIvfFHAjI/ 6Y+rkn2KrruFZ9iPUsK4RJnBcnnq2ILAQRvND8iePT23FqCxc7vReayUBY2tOmxm6IKI 01VA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyR6c0R/TPawXBryArT0PIxgsulTjcCFQwz4pP5ed0KMBj5je0E PTrLJLxi79d2hB7FWqVVxvNb44PpoOnEyJ1DaDxr3Lpjjfg02RX/e7GS2s0h8+WMEM27knwzNoK F9zku21ytO4WXIYuKNcchYl3uir5qYg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEBrSEJF0xZGPbu6ciQwfPSw02KMwTqVCpORcnF0bX/GQbSoC1aB5u8Gj5hWb32ZGD3wIAol0+RyH/ECF4YaBY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:131a:0:b0:2f6:6198:1d01 with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2fae10b5880mr218021fa.37.1727794610964; Tue, 01 Oct 2024 07:56:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240928165812.4uyturluj4dsuwef@illithid> <20240928180138.aygrwqdwrvq3n6xt@illithid> <202410011313.491DD4ac421643@freefriends.org> <20241001133231.GE13777@mcvoy.com> <202410011347.491DlAsJ423777@freefriends.org> <20241001140101.GG13777@mcvoy.com> <024bd803-2852-c0d0-5f15-30ec65c45cb4@makerlisp.com> In-Reply-To: <024bd803-2852-c0d0-5f15-30ec65c45cb4@makerlisp.com> From: Dan Cross Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2024 10:56:13 -0400 Message-ID: To: Luther Johnson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: 3MR3BBTWZZLINVDEWLVMLPLNSA5HVL4W X-Message-ID-Hash: 3MR3BBTWZZLINVDEWLVMLPLNSA5HVL4W X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Minimum Array Sizes in 16 bit C (was Maximum) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 10:32=E2=80=AFAM Luther Johnson wrote: > I think because the of the orders of magnitude increase in the demand > for programmers, we now have a very large number of programmers with > little or no math and science (and computer science doesn't count in the > point I'm trying to make here, if that's your only science, you're not > going to have the models in your head from other disciplines to give you > useful analogs) background, and that's a big change from 40 years ago. > So that has had an effect on who is programming, how they think about > it, and how languages have been marketed to that programming audience. IM= HO. I've found a grounding in mathematics useful for programming, but beyond some knowledge of the physical constraints that the universe places on us and a very healthy appreciation for the scientific method, I'm having a hard time understanding how the hard sciences would help out too much. Electrical engineering seems like it would be more useful, than, say, chemistry or geology. I talk to a lot of academics, and I think they see the situation differently than is presented here. In a nutshell, the way a lot of them look at it, the amount of computer science in the world increases constantly while the amount of time they have to teach that to undergraduates remains fixed. As a result, they have to pick and choose what they teach very, very carefully, balancing a number of criteria as they do so. What this translates to in the real world isn't that the bar is lowered, but that the bar is different. - Dan C.