From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31645 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2024 21:05:01 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jan 2024 21:05:01 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A342443E92; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 07:04:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5465243E80 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 07:04:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2cc7b9281d1so124850321fa.1 for ; Tue, 02 Jan 2024 13:04:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1704229493; x=1704834293; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=D/u9j1nGhUN2zbhLip9zTgdKP89UuqVfirKg+zc+jL4=; b=nLUK2a8j8VgkvdNDh3vAglrjkG3uCWVCjisng/6H+kD8YROlB5mpedOC36Ug1yDupQ UAucDJGpw/2iFrJc8QmMESxPKu3ObFCpCKN2u9oJJXT0GTaKYJCqLiGvexWWsuKsmeq2 J4uRXRZTWTv9u9LyKGenuRIhOnD+sGyFs9qOXnqV5jZhMYcgPXmffKWdqa+E4UeRdsBY wAlhFraLItEv//fE5c86czcSaKnMLxZz5xcbdSi2/5muK1PcKILh/wTFc/Kilhxhv9QP 5Cw2y0Y8xRXwY3stsfhcJ+malq3tSaYG0Tem45tahyOl1pqj8GGQ9iCdVA5Xw5ojPnNd D2TA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1704229493; x=1704834293; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=D/u9j1nGhUN2zbhLip9zTgdKP89UuqVfirKg+zc+jL4=; b=ORaeoguLgsXGFt26gNC3YdNLjd56SMt3U4gI/3kXPOw4EkCCK9yT1foRW/JJ2pE4KZ cdJ36QE6aX48RJRSTTBU4dAHZfxgHBBOj3LlWrE6aqGS4bgaXtzjvr9O1Rdlus7b8GxV VuYpMu7BGlE7f715bbZFsyZXcuydjpBVMuxRHv1Q2/cmE4GGJJ4siWQY+o/OtVjJp+BG QmEix9Jw7evFBe1TeSZMY2MDptFu2wslSFJTRKZUw/lMW5SH1HeH/WBx++Y+YQIKBms7 SRQUgP9N803LZ34nnVsMNmPhlqHHB0GpkkNVkINEND0OnDl9NAQNoXkeHvbgQmynwb21 hMnw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx0J05/MviJ8CnElAAPiDM9n4drKP4kmAs7WM3e6Yhe/c/LaWXZ 8dcGZAeH/Vhc9KMPxMfbOlalfI2yCVJslE0iJpT7Y3iE X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGLi8GEcDEgcJG9bfhsMM0zoo2Ok3qiaoZ6yfsmeSt2SIXKCsBXiFmbUyfzYqqRS8jwCecLhMk3ZLYNfQKyMoE= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:be08:0:b0:2cc:cd67:ba12 with SMTP id z8-20020a2ebe08000000b002cccd67ba12mr7618118ljq.91.1704229492553; Tue, 02 Jan 2024 13:04:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6470c59f-a1e5-418f-803d-76bcd761f530@tnetconsulting.net> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2024 16:04:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: 3SQCRPJ3W4Z4XJ55IJZI2EJYEHNC7BFB X-Message-ID-Hash: 3SQCRPJ3W4Z4XJ55IJZI2EJYEHNC7BFB X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Grant Taylor , The Unix Heritage Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Question about BSD disklabel history List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 3:50=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole wrote: > I never said Sun or anyone else actually shipped it -- only that it was a= round, and there was a lot of discussion about using it/trying to create a = boot ROM standard one of some type. Sorry! I didn't mean to imply that you had; rather, I thought that they had because I thought I remembered seeing it on Sun-3x, but I think I'm just misremembering. > IIRC I remember that NCR was messing with it for their 88K boxes (which I= had a hand in killing). But NCR switched to all x86-based (their "7 levels= "strategy) for everything from Cash Registers/ATMs to their largest Databa= se machines. They had always been in the "better and cheaper than IBM" bus= iness, particularly in their computer products. [1] So after they switch, = their boots start to be all BIOS and EBIOS flavored. Poor suckers. :-( > But other Motorola folks I was working with at the time were exploring OF= . I had it on a 68K and another 88K prototype machine at one point (I reme= mber the "ok" prompt), and I remember I somehow had a source distribution t= ape. I was an independent consultant then and wrote a couple of drivers un= der contract for some different folks. I can not think of the firm's name n= ow -- there was another 68K workstation firm here in Lowell, MA. They actu= ally wrote and made a MacOS emulator work with their UNIX under covers. I= 've forgotten most of the details now, but they may have been one of the fo= lks who was playing with OF. > > My memory is that I first encountered it at one of my consulting gigs. That's cool. It's sad that, around the time of the 386, we didn't have more x86 vendors doing something like OF. Maybe we could have avoided a bunch of big messes. Maybe not. > 1] When they threw the x86 everywhere die, they also started using Microc= hannel (the only large licensee I know of for it -- everyone else stayed wi= th ISA/EISA and then later PCI from DEC/AMD) - tossing out all the Moto IP = like VME that so many UNIX systems had used). I knew a bunch of folks in the early/mid 90s who were pretty tight in the IBM camp; RS/6000's were shipping on MCA and they said they saw better IO performance than with PCI for a couple of generations. - Dan C.