From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4584 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2021 18:03:54 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Nov 2021 18:03:54 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3A5779C883; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 04:03:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477439C841; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 04:01:26 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="YUHY31Bp"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E97319C841; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 04:01:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com (mail-oi1-f172.google.com [209.85.167.172]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C7659C83D for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 04:01:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id bf8so272577oib.6 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 10:01:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wIBQkFsSXQoOv5lw3ZxLDcL1o6HqmiuopvqsYAWBeI0=; b=YUHY31BpwNp//SPFVrEHEc/VuTqKD384V5HLhdXOTGho/cU3iGwH9IeLBwcIAVO9Am crfnnEMhhBdsmohdhiCkdoX6YjTt1wosb753BjVvvQ34maaKN/fvEkEQ99J5cuqUVP3t /aGczbKRSAp3kB+nSC0Nf6eHZrHBpox+avihVItnrk1GVddw+9KuS5kMCUgFkd+SY73W forxf4ltWPRc8hpasg4ohisdCmh/E0FZ6XadsLs41BZ7KSBEQ5o/K52YQqvULrgQhWK0 EZnYLh0hejG7cg5YpnLJU+/34bTNqDsbIVUUn7k18d+a1wfM5GUxVlUET0uRu/oJp+ZL bD4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wIBQkFsSXQoOv5lw3ZxLDcL1o6HqmiuopvqsYAWBeI0=; b=HApvETw2sHXD80MHXZtYggsgyGx3zI/pMyyfPGKHlagQ2Q6yQMiysupVX3zZkU0PsH pzOIk9lgEMFPm7/pbZviaEIeYR70xYCLhBugmKLO8C4N8Re4X2bbXndyNnGep9WdOGaB JAZCUnLMAjWA4wDcqppP3N7PwopI3KiayUzUnxv3Kdfi/KaI+puu44ju8663Tfxhm77d 1Pbtsh17PaSyZla2msYf3zSTWiJrHKMG/0riaj9yWhch0FcZvJVRdvpph7UskfMQYrZ+ 85M45aO6rL7mPHzgSJDcNDHcJ0E7QbVuK0JSlrmsyUr9sdkO8JYdlDpBBO8PVJsmA/F4 d1nQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533lNdCywiuh8EY+sLk5d52Coybj1c0eDU8WdGOtwdD6fNZXtx5E SFHkFUZtBX9Dx758iZTHakG1pPtp85M+M0U5GQy2InpQ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxtt6eOuNwufA0Hj7ZMGSrE45bSpD9lmG8pyMJjwI1FQdmaJhzsBYyyutWt+QEGyvQ6xZFamdUh6Enz+5U+k5k= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1597:: with SMTP id t23mr8133926oiw.24.1637085683331; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 10:01:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202111161754.1AGHsGsN929905@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <202111161754.1AGHsGsN929905@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Dan Cross Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 13:00:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009f7d7205d0ebb6a3" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Book Recommendation [ reallly inscrutable languages ] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000009f7d7205d0ebb6a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:57 PM Jon Steinhart wrote: > Douglas McIlroy writes: > > APL is a fascinating invention, but can be so compact as to be > > inscrutable. (I confess not to have practiced APL enough to become > > fluent.) In the same vein, Haskell's powerful higher-level functions > > make middling fragments of code very clear, but can compress large > > code to opacity. Jeremy Gibbons, a high priest of functional > > programming, even wrote a paper about deconstructing such wonders for > > improved readability. > > Wasn't Perl created to fill this void? > I thought Perl was a reaction to exceeding awk's tolerance for abuse? - Dan C. --0000000000009f7d7205d0ebb6a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:57 PM Jon Stei= nhart <jon@fourwinds.com> wr= ote:
Douglas McIlroy writes:
> APL is a fascinating invention, but can be so compact as to be
> inscrutable. (I confess not to have practiced APL enough to become
> fluent.) In the same vein, Haskell's powerful higher-level functio= ns
> make middling fragments of code very clear, but can compress large
> code to opacity. Jeremy Gibbons, a high priest of functional
> programming, even wrote a paper about deconstructing such wonders for<= br> > improved readability.

Wasn't Perl created to fill this void?

<= div>I thought Perl was a reaction to exceeding awk's tolerance for abus= e?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Dan C.
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