* Re: [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy'
@ 2019-01-09 5:42 Dave Horsfall
2019-01-09 12:02 ` Dan Cross
2019-01-09 15:12 ` [TUHS] Lions book (not " Bakul Shah
0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-09 5:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019, Warner Losh wrote:
> The name seems obvious because I've seen it for the last 30 years. But
> I've not seen it used elsewhere, nor have I seen it documented except in
> relationship to Unix. It could have been called blkio or bufio or bio or
> even just work or morework and still been as meaningful. VMS uses the
> FDT table to process the IRPs sent down. RT-11 has a series of entry
> points that have boring names. Other systems have a start routine
> (though more often that is a common routine used by both the queue me
> and isr functions). There is a wide diversity here...
I must admit that this is an interesting thread, just as long as it wasn't
called XXoptimize() unless you wanted a backlash from British English
speakers :-)
In hindsight I suppose that XXstrategy() is obvious, but back then, as you
ask? Dunno, but Ken might (if he's reading this thread).
One of my favo[u]rites is sched(); some pronounce it as "shed" and others
as "sked". Another American/British thing, I think...
Wasn't it Mark Twain who said "Two nations divided by a common language"?
I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house move)
but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
ObGripe: Could anyone replying to the digest version please take the
trouble to update the Subject: line accordingly? I've now put the
original back as a courtesy to others, but I shouldn't have to; it's as
bad as top-posting.
-- Dave
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* Re: [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 5:42 [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-09 12:02 ` Dan Cross 2019-01-09 15:12 ` [TUHS] Lions book (not " Bakul Shah 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Dan Cross @ 2019-01-09 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 262 bytes --] On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 12:43 AM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org wrote: > [snip] > > Wasn't it Mark Twain who said "Two nations divided by a common language"? > Apocryphal, actually, but based on a line from one of George Bernard Shaw's plays. - Dan C. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 850 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 5:42 [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' Dave Horsfall 2019-01-09 12:02 ` Dan Cross @ 2019-01-09 15:12 ` Bakul Shah 2019-01-09 16:09 ` Warner Losh ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Bakul Shah @ 2019-01-09 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote: > > I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house move) > but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel... https://github.com/kanner/lions-book ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 15:12 ` [TUHS] Lions book (not " Bakul Shah @ 2019-01-09 16:09 ` Warner Losh 2019-01-09 16:20 ` Clem Cole 2019-01-09 17:20 ` Andy Kosela 2019-01-09 22:24 ` Dave Horsfall 2019-01-09 23:09 ` Cág 2 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Warner Losh @ 2019-01-09 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bakul Shah; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 546 bytes --] On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> > wrote: > > > > I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house > move) > > but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel... > > https://github.com/kanner/lions-book Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying something... This is a lot easier to grep :) Warner [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1149 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 16:09 ` Warner Losh @ 2019-01-09 16:20 ` Clem Cole 2019-01-09 16:50 ` Warner Losh 2019-01-09 17:50 ` Bakul Shah 2019-01-09 17:20 ` Andy Kosela 1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Clem Cole @ 2019-01-09 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Warner Losh; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1019 bytes --] Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some of the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files; when the original was in roff. I wonder if the author as well as Dennis are both chuckling somewhere at all of us ;-) ᐧ On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:10 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> >> wrote: >> > >> > I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house >> move) >> > but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel... >> >> https://github.com/kanner/lions-book > > > Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy > of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying > something... This is a lot easier to grep :) > > Warner > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2387 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 16:20 ` Clem Cole @ 2019-01-09 16:50 ` Warner Losh 2019-01-09 22:53 ` Dave Horsfall 2019-01-09 17:50 ` Bakul Shah 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Warner Losh @ 2019-01-09 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Clem Cole; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1562 bytes --] What was amusing was seeing what I thought was a copy tucked away on the shelves of Kirk McKusick's library, next to weird things with odd labels like "BSD 4.5" (really something between what we know as BSD 4.0 and BSD 4.1 when the notion was the next BSD release tape would be called BSD5) next to more mundane ones like "V6" and "V32" etc. It's definitely a piece of folklore that turns up in the oddest places... Warner On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 9:20 AM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote: > Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some of > the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does > seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files; > when the original was in roff. > > I wonder if the author as well as Dennis are both chuckling somewhere at > all of us ;-) > ᐧ > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:10 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house >>> move) >>> > but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel... >>> >>> https://github.com/kanner/lions-book >> >> >> Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy >> of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying >> something... This is a lot easier to grep :) >> >> Warner >> > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3164 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 16:50 ` Warner Losh @ 2019-01-09 22:53 ` Dave Horsfall 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-09 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Silly idea: is there any way that the original books (red and orange) can be legally reprinted somehow? Surely the original nroff sources must be somewhere... Yeah, I know about the Copyright Act, but permission from his estate? -- Dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 16:20 ` Clem Cole 2019-01-09 16:50 ` Warner Losh @ 2019-01-09 17:50 ` Bakul Shah 2019-01-09 17:55 ` Warner Losh 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Bakul Shah @ 2019-01-09 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:20:28 -0500 Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote: > > Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some of > the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does > seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files; > when the original was in roff. From the preface: The co-operation of the ``nroff'' program must also be mentioned. Without it, these notes could never have been produced in this form. However it has yielded some of its more enigmatic secrets so reluctantly, that the author's gratitude is indeed mixed. :-) At any rate use of the CM fonts is a bit jarring. Everyone who downloaded these sources for grepping has bought a paper copy of the Lions book, right? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 17:50 ` Bakul Shah @ 2019-01-09 17:55 ` Warner Losh 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Warner Losh @ 2019-01-09 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bakul Shah; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1055 bytes --] On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 10:50 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:20:28 -0500 Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote: > > > > Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some > of > > the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does > > seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files; > > when the original was in roff. > > From the preface: > The co-operation of the ``nroff'' program > must also be mentioned. Without it, > these notes could never have been produced in this form. However it has > yielded some of its more enigmatic > secrets so reluctantly, that the > author's gratitude is indeed mixed. > > :-) > > At any rate use of the CM fonts is a bit jarring. > > Everyone who downloaded these sources for grepping has bought > a paper copy of the Lions book, right? > Yea. But the github version doesn't have the 'appendix' that the Amazon version has with the listing with the line numbers as corresponding to the book... :( Warner [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1555 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 16:09 ` Warner Losh 2019-01-09 16:20 ` Clem Cole @ 2019-01-09 17:20 ` Andy Kosela 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Andy Kosela @ 2019-01-09 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Warner Losh; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 904 bytes --] On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> >> wrote: >> > >> > I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house >> move) >> > but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel... >> >> https://github.com/kanner/lions-book > > > Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy > of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying > something... This is a lot easier to grep :) > > > That one with hackers on the cover is still available on Amazon[1]. It was published in 1996. —Andy [1] https://www.amazon.com/Lions-Commentary-Unix-John/dp/1573980137/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547054228&sr=8-1&keywords=john+lion+unix+6 [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1901 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 15:12 ` [TUHS] Lions book (not " Bakul Shah 2019-01-09 16:09 ` Warner Losh @ 2019-01-09 22:24 ` Dave Horsfall 2019-01-09 23:09 ` Cág 2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-09 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On Wed, 9 Jan 2019, Bakul Shah wrote: >> I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house move) >> but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel... > > https://github.com/kanner/lions-book Wow - many thanks! The most photocopied book in the world, as I recall... -- Dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 15:12 ` [TUHS] Lions book (not " Bakul Shah 2019-01-09 16:09 ` Warner Losh 2019-01-09 22:24 ` Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-09 23:09 ` Cág 2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Cág @ 2019-01-09 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Bakul Shah wrote: >> I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house >> move) >> but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel... > https://github.com/kanner/lions-book Something to be printed and read once again. I remember I had a couple of handmade copies of bwk's C tutorial from '74, printed from the converted to LaTeX documents... -- caóc ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' @ 2019-01-07 21:21 Warner Losh 2019-01-07 21:27 ` Dave Horsfall ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Warner Losh @ 2019-01-07 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 381 bytes --] So what's the origin of the name 'strategy' for the I/O routine in Unix that drivers provide? Everything I've found in the early papers just says that's what the routine is called. Is there a story behind why it was chosen? My own theory is that it's in the sense of 'coping strategy' when the driver needs to service more I/O for the upper layers, but that's just a WAG. Warner [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 479 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-07 21:21 [TUHS] " Warner Losh @ 2019-01-07 21:27 ` Dave Horsfall 2019-01-07 21:28 ` Dan Cross 2019-01-09 20:51 ` Clem Cole 2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-07 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 510 bytes --] On Mon, 7 Jan 2019, Warner Losh wrote: > So what's the origin of the name 'strategy' for the I/O routine in Unix > that drivers provide? Everything I've found in the early papers just > says that's what the routine is called. Is there a story behind why it > was chosen? My own theory is that it's in the sense of 'coping strategy' > when the driver needs to service more I/O for the upper layers, but > that's just a WAG. My guess is that it's supposed to optimise disk access; Ken may know. -- Dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-07 21:21 [TUHS] " Warner Losh 2019-01-07 21:27 ` Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-07 21:28 ` Dan Cross 2019-01-07 22:28 ` Erik E. Fair 2019-01-09 20:51 ` Clem Cole 2 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Dan Cross @ 2019-01-07 21:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Warner Losh; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 649 bytes --] On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 4:22 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > So what's the origin of the name 'strategy' for the I/O routine in Unix > that drivers provide? Everything I've found in the early papers just says > that's what the routine is called. Is there a story behind why it was > chosen? My own theory is that it's in the sense of 'coping strategy' when > the driver needs to service more I/O for the upper layers, but that's just > a WAG. > I always thought it had to do with computing the optimal strategy for writing blocks to the disc device.... I wonder where I got that impression from. Perhaps reading Bach? - Dan C. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1033 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-07 21:28 ` Dan Cross @ 2019-01-07 22:28 ` Erik E. Fair 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Erik E. Fair @ 2019-01-07 22:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dan Cross; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society >From: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> >Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 16:28:42 -0500 > >I always thought it had to do with computing the optimal strategy for >writing blocks to the disc device.... I wonder where I got that impression >from. Perhaps reading Bach? Perhaps from reading the strategy routines of disk device drivers? That's where disksort() routine to perform HDA seek minimization via elevator sort is called. Still true in NetBSD today, though some of the routine names have changed. That would seem worth of being called a "strategy". Erik Fair ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-07 21:21 [TUHS] " Warner Losh 2019-01-07 21:27 ` Dave Horsfall 2019-01-07 21:28 ` Dan Cross @ 2019-01-09 20:51 ` Clem Cole 2019-01-09 23:30 ` Dave Horsfall 2 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Clem Cole @ 2019-01-09 20:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Warner Losh; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 5135 bytes --] below.... On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 4:22 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > So what's the origin of the name 'strategy' for the I/O routine in Unix > that drivers provide? Everything I've found in the early papers just says > that's what the routine is called. Is there a story behind why it was > chosen? My own theory is that it's in the sense of 'coping strategy' when > the driver needs to service more I/O for the upper layers, but that's just > a WAG. > FWIW: Warren has a scan of the 1976 USG document: "UNIX Program Description" Program Generic PG-1C300 Issue 2 From the section called: BIO01 - Block I/O, on the 5th page I think there seems to be a hint of why it was called strategy. Under the description of the breada routine are the words: *Read ahead is a technique whereby an attempt is made to anticipate where the next read request on a device will be and to preread that data. In this manner, the program requesting the read will not be subjected to positional and rotational latency or device queuing, if read ahead is completed before the next block is requested. There are different strategies that can be used for-doing read ahead. On UNIX, all reads (not including physical I/O) result in a full 512 byte block being read from· the device. Smaller amounts of data could be read if a program requested it, however, since disks transfer times are small in comparison to positional and rotational latency times, any extra transfer is inconsequential. Also, most DEC disks are designed around a 512 byte sector and while fewer than 512 bytes may be specified, the disk controller is busy until a full sector has been transferred. By reading the full 512 bytes, any subsequent read or write which references data within that block will not have to be lead (if the block does not leave the system). Besides the advantage gained by reading a minimum of 512 bytes instead of the desired quantities, the next block is anticipated and read under certain conditions. Thus, one request will spawn several read requests to bring data into the system. A routine for finding a block that is already in memory (bio.c/incore) must be available to determine whether any reads need be done and the read ahead strategy must be capable of determining when read ahead should be discontinued so that superfluous reads are not generated.* *The strategy adopted under UNIX is to pursue read ahead as long as a process is reading (512 byte blocks) sequentially through a file or a device. When the first non sequential read is requested, read ahead is discontinued and is not restarted until sequential accesses begin again. * *Bio.c/breada carries out the read ahead operation. Starting and stopping read ahead and determining which block number in a file or on a device is the read ahead block ("rablkno") is done by the higher level function rdwri.c/readi. * *In implementing the read ahead strategy, bio.c/breada makes use of bio.c/incore to determine whether a block is already in memory. For the desired block "blkno", the bio.c/breada function behaves exactly like bio.c/bread. That is, a synchronous read is performed and the process requesting the read is roadblocked until it is completed. Since the desired block may already be within system. bio.c/incore is called to look for that block among the buffers on the freelist (bfreelist"). If the block is already in memory. bio.c/bread is called to get the buffer. If the desired biock has not already been read by a previous read operation then bio.c/getblk is called to see if the block is possibly on a device queue waiting for its turn to be read. If that is not the case, a buffer is allocated for the read and the appropriate device strategy routine is called. * *Bio.c/breada does not wait (yet) for the read to complete. Rather, it goes through a similar operation for the read ahead block "rablkno". Bio.c/incore is called to search the free list of buffers ("bfreelist") to see if the block was read in a previous read operation. Nothing will be done, of course, if the read ahead block is in memory. If it is not in memory, bio.c/getblk is called to search the device queue for it or to allocate a block so that it may be read. The device strategy module is called to read the read ahead block, however, the buffer will be marked (B_ASYNC in "b_flags") so that when the read completes the buffer is returned to the pool of available buffers. Bio.c/breada then waits for the read of the the desired block to complete. It does not wait for the read ahead block . * *An external variable "raflg" is available for turning off all read ahead on alldevices. "Raflg" is initialized to one, however, by changing it to zero read ahead is eliminated. As with bio.c/bread any error detection is done as a result of the interrupt handler indicating an error to bio.c/lncore and a system error (in "u_error") being posted. These errors are of no concern to bio.c/breada or bio.c/bread and are used only at higher levels of software to return errors to the user. * ᐧ [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 9108 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' 2019-01-09 20:51 ` Clem Cole @ 2019-01-09 23:30 ` Dave Horsfall 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-09 23:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Is it just me, or do others here also think of bread() when writing "bread" on a shopping list? I've been using Unix since it first appeared in Australia, so I guess I'm now permanently damaged :-) Then again, during a late-night session at work getting a pair of Telebit NetBlazers to work, $BOSS asked me to order a pizza for us, so I picked up the phone and started dialling an IP address... And according to aus.net (I think) I was not the only one to do that :-) Oh, and I got to stay overnight in a nearby motel on his sixpence, because I was simply too buggered to make the 70km drive back home... -- Dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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