From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AA722282 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 02:28:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B264277D; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:28:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DEFA42764 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:28:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2ffa49f623cso26845191fa.1 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 17:28:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1734139711; x=1734744511; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=oA9C6dphVHCo95RiUkYibo+zJEjDB1qvQDMJju+TpAY=; b=l2XRyogguR77xt1j5FStxhuczY95JODjBuV+J5licOuVE1iD2cMI23++eLoM4fcAC6 RqhYdlLXUdgcS/AJQP2mJTZZR0zc2hsFBam4UgFuo33cjqivYY6slG3pfbaEnPeK3m5j 5DsUdUhm37Ohn6gabivKOFkRppPO7V/n3WoWuTxcXT89PiWtPzwaUeBgRRPdAy1NN1m0 uuEo3ufSexcrkH5sa83LlyH2LDgVFJHbMDuTFsMIw1regdpsq5b7U83oK+AB7VBI+SCC ydMnB87SmaU3TMVUIbgU5wfWbBmwUzpovQFXRcetctj0Pl2xIRHPxwDyy9WHI2yjgjo6 TyVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1734139711; x=1734744511; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=oA9C6dphVHCo95RiUkYibo+zJEjDB1qvQDMJju+TpAY=; b=pvh9TjUp3t9cgdOqZkHj7dvHtO59vmmPc/xBi9l1JhiSUYMytBEg/WD+i80VDIQrH5 Zbyq68LnpY+DTu+0HSU+Ziiy9WyRE88sMyXZRcyp6LF7VKn/945VpzCq4cCl8xNmzxEl YtAWgMK1nVrVDu+DVFt3g5SY7Hmc/JYS4PI7iYyFiMcpVDUfi5WOl0WUtvquSfTgFdYm fvivEppWg+hHABH8p4MApyvDNMwuk0XJ6PV6g4N1PyafFpyo3Kvrp0iNlLrAwn/Ab/uw IRudp4opf1Hd1IzFA0GKnMoo4XkiuN6wSVD5plCCsDwgHTfZyC6cPClQWG9+wdFfnQRN xFhw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXR/z0b5FBNJkcqQCK9Dhkx0nXNKLgqo26Lla2i5qjrxNDGdQbxxW3sDiZbmKztievt9HF3@tuhs.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yxv7xwz0Qy+AteSVwwfjAwib/yUIOEI4oR4vAVlFYKynnkD72BH QUMcO0/+XV8067YqCTUOI3GOkv24CGJ1G8CNDNzKQeE/J3ckNXX8OEWUVJACkUWinN2GDvJhMD+ c9AvY5cl+97eoIm6W5LUyFDqjnpg= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncvr+5puFi/c2XEGsxTkKG3ADyun6fmicfjPLZ1ud0iJ/e9pPea9qo2qMubMCM+ sMXa0qq6o3swLavn19Mb3Qp2dGi5KdcPsyc/ObY7+josgRGdRO+EHoAJMErHju+yvIgxxm40= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHhTRsxK4J6HLP/GfSVhxt4gw0lH9LTPp6bGHnTkwj8oXFuG6UhYX6VWD7wY9JTlEye6QyWtRUaLjw6kiDvM5U= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:2208:b0:300:31db:a770 with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-302544aea32mr18171591fa.26.1734139710314; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 17:28:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 20:27:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: Marc Rochkind Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: RYCDL5FNF5LYLRLDGSV3BCOARAZKQXZG X-Message-ID-Hash: RYCDL5FNF5LYLRLDGSV3BCOARAZKQXZG X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Mark Seiden , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: SCCS roach motel List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 8:12=E2=80=AFPM Marc Rochkind = wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:10=E2=80=AFPM Dan Cross wrot= e: >> I had heard a story once, that based on what you wrote today, I now >> think is apocryphal and never actually happened. >> >> The story was that there was a bug in early SCCS where a source file >> had to be checked in twice before it could be (successfully) checked >> out. The bug was such that if one only checked it in once and tried to >> check it out, it would truncate the file. "Programmers using it just >> learned to check in twice." >> >> I never used SCCS extensively, and certainly never observed that >> behavior, so chucked it up to the bug having been long fixed. As I >> mentioned above, I doubt it was ever there to begin with. A fun story, >> though. > > This is completely ridiculous. No program I wrote ever had one of those b= ug things. Oh dear, I do hope no offense was taken. As I said, I firmly believe the story was apocryphal. The identity of the person from whom I heard it is probably known to at least some of the USENIX old school crew; I rather thought at the time they were under the impression that SCCS was the result of a large team, or perhaps some kind of fork. Anyway, I don't mean to belabor the point. Please accept my apologies if the story rubbed you the wrong way. - Dan C.