From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCAB3174F for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 17:01:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E45E4332F; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 02:01:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x233.google.com (mail-lj1-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::233]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE7F94325D for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 02:01:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x233.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-30033e07ef3so30459421fa.0 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 08:01:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1734192093; x=1734796893; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=d4QcsWARLLelBmJWhUlFFtpVxP4hYmakCLgzhgtGgMI=; b=XgGxlQ4r+iKd/6JUOduWKAKj1to6YAFoAhgLAjVg41w0eo8u3IpoSu2rnkTel8a9jd pTUrZS+9QSeFtLCmzMyxfzsjHn5QeXnfOeNednWhUWehlMgGQ74YQXMZohB8cRgfUuJ0 e/zVBw11NuceyTSu8u//rKSP+yjLPSX6eWIc0jmtbUcj/rUe5c3p7L0e3xkbYTcyn780 /BcImOf5mVhSjIPz9PUk7DezOpbPViPUqADBNG+uzjjKfENf7X2IWObxOMmnUIcxkVpU 1iWTVDE3R0lcIgg/y4nS6nQ2oQc49XnM6cZrbrylnYb/9XX4nKDy5JYJu8148YXNudTo B1lw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1734192093; x=1734796893; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=d4QcsWARLLelBmJWhUlFFtpVxP4hYmakCLgzhgtGgMI=; b=tpGGPPBLuYIonKSTHiE7Mtxa1Nd6oPatlODqNVUAbDCjLMGknnNfFCDuH7ym5OLXrn sK2jL0ykuiEwWHmwEC5p3dfBV20yUftlHfiUf2Fru0BvLWO5sWUvS59BUG/uwmN84YWo +Mf/33NzQZTLMONZ+OpBn/OWfkJf3zusMRiQiezWSz38DjtQDQqwQb+ZtoenilVV6Ftw isCOwGJkvEKcUmIHwVUFea0/eM4ywOcpuBiNX+DPmQDsJXkHXpxisNAqO+g0wTeADfEc koufrB6Gv4ev9piusfP0G777+i5UyaTx8UDs6VmwoyD6A8Qieck8dQTDaNkKK0+EPTRB RCwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx7dnyNWJLlpWmIXvF/2VIMqLhGbGIXcyO4h/TuCft0UFx3mlPI y6T/DFl82LNE+4g5kXfR3M0VYtDa5qjqlVNos6LHY9fGDFoNfk0iXPqSbxPIY7tUCeDKBtJtwtd tXXVwedCweWx4zu2HBJYT1dICwkH5kA== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncu4MLso2l9nuh20AwFmxQGBYpg8wrGouXY66ACpmnfh9vqL6yOA2cRNCpU2Y7P HkquSlmEqzddDnSEc+mwb9v670EbluUPatFl4vVrj0Zecdu58EOLuBuMK5t5Wjgj4+8ZjjRU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE2E9svqTA4+nbRJE1j1BibF10fN7MQnT9L7+lpIGify55CdPU436v7VQ2Go76kqxKL4qhtc85XiKEyiV3pYiY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a99f:0:b0:300:17a3:7af9 with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-302a9e8d0e3mr21242721fa.19.1734192092758; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 08:01:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:00:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: KJSI2372X3MHTHTXFXOQP6ABJXFZQVHM X-Message-ID-Hash: KJSI2372X3MHTHTXFXOQP6ABJXFZQVHM X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: BSD Talk History -- Credit Where Credit is Due List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 10:41=E2=80=AFAM Clem Cole wrote: > I was thinking about this some more. > > IIRC: Peter and I sketched out the protocol for the sockets version on a = whiteboard in our office one night after a beer and pizza run. Rick Spickle= meir, Tom Quarles, and Jim Kleckner also participated in those bull session= s. I started writing the program soon after that and had it working to a p= oint in a couple of hours. I don't remember the issues, but a couple of th= em were when I left for the USENIX conference later that week. When I got = back Peter had finished it and put it into RCS. The key is that the codi= ng was primarily Peter and myself, but Rick, TQ, and Jim all had contribute= d in some manner, too, > > Although the famous bug of using a vax integer, you can squarely blame me= =E2=80=94 and as I said, having worked on networking for several years bef= ore my time at UCB, I should have known better. But did not even think abo= ut it. I failed Henry's ten programming commandments and concluded that th= e world was a Vax. Mei culpa. > =E1=90=A7 Thanks, Clem, these are very interesting notes. The protocol had some interesting aspects to it; since the ctl address was embedded in the message sent to the distant end, a trick of some locals when I was younger was to put fake data in the request. The effect would be that one would get a request to talk from user1@host1, but actually be talking to user2@host2. This could either be very funny or very uncool. I'm curious how the original worked, which I sort of gather was before sockets? How did the two users rendezvous? - Dan C.