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From: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
To: Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: LOC [was Re: Re: Re.: Princeton's "Unix: An Oral History": who was in the team in "The Attic"?
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 03:41:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W4dz7vvjyaXu26Zv5KXXujQzbh18=9wTrrW24qRS3zxig@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALQ0xCCNKZ=baxKA=8CXkvT0Q3Zy_5Yqm7Yn8HtjOt6SCMoyfA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2022, 1:57 PM Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com> wrote:

> My buds in the SRE community confirm that Twitter laid off the entire SRE
> team, since of course they didn't write enough code.  Good luck with
> keeping the system up.
>

It's ok. I'm sure users can just fax problem reports to Elon.

To tie this back to TUHS a little bit...when did being a "sysadmin" become
a thing unto itself? And is it just me, or has that largely been superceded
by SRE (which I think of as what one used to, perhaps, call a "system
programmer") and DevOps, which feels like a more traditional Unix-y kind of
thing?

        - Dan C.


=====
> nygeek.net
> mindthegapdialogs.com/home <https://www.mindthegapdialogs.com/home>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:52 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 2:34 PM Charles H Sauer (he/him) <
>> sauer@technologists.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/11/2022 3:14 PM, Michael Kjörling wrote:
>>> > On 11 Oct 2022 13:10 -0700, from lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy):
>>> >>> Isn't it relatively well established, though, that IBM culture at
>>> >>> least for a very long time put heavy emphasis on counting lines of
>>> >>> source code, and that more SLOC was considered to be better?
>>> >>
>>> >> That's just stupid.
>>> >
>>> > You're getting no argument from me there.
>>> >
>>>
>>> It was likely true that some parts of IBM put heavy emphasis on LOC, but
>>> as Marc points out, that wasn't true in Research. I don't remember heavy
>>> LOC emphasis in AIX groups, and I suspect even in Boca (OS/2) there was
>>> not "heavy" emphasis.
>>>
>>
>> Speaking of "just stupid"
>>
>> Word on the street is that Elon Musk stack ranked the engineers by lines
>> of code
>> over the last year (source: https://ma.nu/blog/bye-twitter) and layed
>> off the bottom
>> performers in terms of LoC...
>>
>> Not 100% sure this is legit, since some tweets about it have been deleted.
>>
>> Warners
>>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-09  8:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-11 11:15 [TUHS] " Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2022-10-11 13:48 ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2022-10-11 13:59   ` Warner Losh
2022-10-11 19:43     ` Marc Donner
2022-10-11 19:54       ` Larry McVoy
2022-10-11 20:02         ` Michael Kjörling
2022-10-11 20:08           ` Rob Pike
2022-10-11 21:07             ` Dan Cross
2022-10-11 21:41               ` Rob Pike
2022-10-12  6:59             ` arnold
2022-10-12  7:03               ` Michael Kjörling
2022-10-12  7:18                 ` Rich Morin
2022-11-29  7:31               ` Joseph Holsten
2022-10-11 20:10           ` Larry McVoy
2022-10-11 20:14             ` Michael Kjörling
2022-10-11 20:33               ` [TUHS] LOC [was " Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-11-07 17:50                 ` [TUHS] " Warner Losh
2022-11-07 19:57                   ` Bakul Shah
2022-11-07 20:11                   ` Dan Cross
2022-11-08 18:55                   ` Marc Donner
2022-11-09  8:41                     ` Dan Cross [this message]
2022-11-09  8:49                       ` arnold
2022-11-09 20:17                         ` Dave Horsfall
2022-11-09  9:01                       ` steve jenkin
2022-11-09 10:55                         ` Brad Spencer
2022-11-09 11:56                         ` Stuart Remphrey

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