On Tue, Nov 8, 2022, 1:57 PM Marc Donner wrote: > My buds in the SRE community confirm that Twitter laid off the entire SRE > team, since of course they didn't write enough code. Good luck with > keeping the system up. > It's ok. I'm sure users can just fax problem reports to Elon. To tie this back to TUHS a little bit...when did being a "sysadmin" become a thing unto itself? And is it just me, or has that largely been superceded by SRE (which I think of as what one used to, perhaps, call a "system programmer") and DevOps, which feels like a more traditional Unix-y kind of thing? - Dan C. ===== > nygeek.net > mindthegapdialogs.com/home > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:52 PM Warner Losh wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 2:34 PM Charles H Sauer (he/him) < >> sauer@technologists.com> wrote: >> >>> On 10/11/2022 3:14 PM, Michael Kjörling wrote: >>> > On 11 Oct 2022 13:10 -0700, from lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy): >>> >>> Isn't it relatively well established, though, that IBM culture at >>> >>> least for a very long time put heavy emphasis on counting lines of >>> >>> source code, and that more SLOC was considered to be better? >>> >> >>> >> That's just stupid. >>> > >>> > You're getting no argument from me there. >>> > >>> >>> It was likely true that some parts of IBM put heavy emphasis on LOC, but >>> as Marc points out, that wasn't true in Research. I don't remember heavy >>> LOC emphasis in AIX groups, and I suspect even in Boca (OS/2) there was >>> not "heavy" emphasis. >>> >> >> Speaking of "just stupid" >> >> Word on the street is that Elon Musk stack ranked the engineers by lines >> of code >> over the last year (source: https://ma.nu/blog/bye-twitter) and layed >> off the bottom >> performers in terms of LoC... >> >> Not 100% sure this is legit, since some tweets about it have been deleted. >> >> Warners >> >