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From: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
To: Miod Vallat <miod@online.fr>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code?
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 21:17:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W4eD8AF=FwjMT-KPRfyYgD+qgVvE1u3sBwiovm4=1WWLg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ym/nLP7r1tt3AGt3@tarentaine.gentiane.org>

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On Mon, May 2, 2022, 2:16 PM Miod Vallat <miod@online.fr> wrote:

> > The RT 4.3 port was called AOS (for the, "Academic Operating System"). It
> > was mostly Tahoe with NFS and came with most of the sources, but some
> bits
> > were distributed only as object code: I believe some of the MM bits?
> > Perhaps the MMU code? I vaguely recall this being one of the things
> people
> > had a hard time with when trying to port Reno and 4.4 to the RT.
>
> What was delivered as binary was the Advanced Floating-Point Accelerator
> microcode.


Thanks. My memory of all of this is decaying over time. I'd forgotten about
the AFPA; I believe our RTs either had a 68881 or 68882, but it's been so
long the details are fuzzy: I definitely remember a Motorola FPU, but no
longer remember the model.

At the end of the AOS work circa 1996, most of the kernel was 4.4,
> except for the network stack which was 4.3-Reno, and the VM system which
> was still 4.3 (hence no mmap).


This happened outside of IBM, didn't it? What prevented the rest of the VM
code being ported?

> The port was fairly faithful; the C compiler was a bit strange "High C" or
> > "Hi C", bit GCC was available after a while, but had some bug and could
> not
> > compile the kernel.
>
> The compiler was Metaware High C. GCC could not be used to compile the
> kernel sources unchanged, because one of the locore->trap.c paths was
> relying upon the stack layout used by the compiler. With that fixed, gcc
> could be used to build a working kernel.
>

I vaguely remember that happening, but by then we had retired the RTs.

I vaguely remember Metaware being somewhat religiously extreme, but again
the details are fuzzy now. Was there some kind of ecclesiastical reference
in the man page?

        - Dan C.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-02 23:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-01  9:30 Andrew Warkentin
2022-05-01 11:43 ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-01 11:56   ` Rob Pike
2022-05-01 14:03     ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-03  4:37       ` Jim Carpenter
2022-05-01 14:09   ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-01 18:08     ` ron minnich
2022-05-01 18:22       ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-01 19:49         ` Dan Stromberg
2022-05-01 20:37           ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-02  2:08       ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-02  9:21         ` Dr Iain Maoileoin
2022-05-02 20:19           ` Rich Morin
2022-05-02 21:30             ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 21:36             ` Dan Cross
2022-05-10 15:28         ` Mary Ann Horton
2022-05-10 16:08           ` Warner Losh
2022-05-10 16:40             ` Heinz Lycklama
2022-05-10 16:42             ` James Frew
2022-05-14  2:56             ` Mary Ann Horton
2022-05-10 16:59           ` Clem Cole
2022-05-10 17:18             ` Clem Cole
2022-05-10 18:05               ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-10 19:27                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2022-05-10 19:08               ` Henry Bent
2022-05-10 19:33                 ` Richard Salz
2022-05-10 20:18                   ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-11 16:20                     ` James Frew
2022-05-11 16:51                       ` Paul Winalski
2022-05-10 20:28                   ` Henry Bent
2022-05-10 20:43                   ` Warner Losh
2022-05-10 20:46                   ` Clem Cole
2022-05-11 16:44                     ` Paul Winalski
2022-05-11 17:09                       ` Clem Cole
2022-05-11 17:35                       ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-12  0:16                         ` George Michaelson
2022-05-13  2:46                         ` Adam Thornton
2022-05-15  0:48                           ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-15  5:36                             ` Adam Thornton
2022-05-15 13:37                               ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-12  5:22                       ` Warner Losh
2022-05-12 12:06                         ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-12 12:43                           ` John Cowan
2022-05-15  2:00         ` Stuart Remphrey
2022-05-02  2:42       ` Phil Budne
2022-05-02  6:46         ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-02 13:50           ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 14:46             ` tytso
2022-05-02 15:38               ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 20:31                 ` Warner Losh
2022-05-03  5:01                   ` tytso
2022-05-03 11:35                     ` Richard Salz
2022-05-02 23:30           ` Gregg Levine
     [not found]           ` <CAK7dMtD08weh+97mx+ncrq0cxprKgke42C0vFYNPnBkd8Fx9Sg@mail.gmail.com>
2022-05-03  7:28             ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-02 12:59         ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-02 14:13           ` Richard Salz
2022-05-02 13:14         ` tytso
2022-05-02 13:32           ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-02 13:16         ` Dan Cross
2022-05-02 14:14           ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-02 14:50             ` ron minnich
2022-05-02 16:13             ` Al Kossow
2022-05-02 18:46               ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-02 19:54               ` Chet Ramey
2022-05-02 21:17             ` Dan Cross [this message]
2022-05-02 23:49               ` George Michaelson
2022-05-03  7:22                 ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-03  7:40               ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-03  8:03                 ` Ron Natalie
     [not found]               ` <CAEoi9W4eD8AF=FwjMT-KPRfyYgD+qgVvE1u3sBwiovm4=1WWLg@mail.g mail.com>
2022-05-03 12:14                 ` John Foust via TUHS
2022-05-01 20:55 ` Michael Huff
2022-05-03  4:55   ` Jim Carpenter
2022-05-02 15:43 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 16:16   ` Bakul Shah
2022-05-02 16:19     ` Bakul Shah
2022-05-02 17:14       ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 16:29     ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-02 17:42     ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 17:59       ` Bakul Shah

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