[TUHS] ATC'25 is the last ATC?

[TUHS] ATC'25 is the last ATC?

[Dan Cross]

I just heard that, after ATC'25, USENIX will be sunsetting the annual
technical conference: this will apparently be the last one.

I can't find any reference for it, though, and the web site mentions
ATC'26 in Seattle?

        - Dan C.

[TUHS] Re: ATC'25 is the last ATC?

[Alan Coopersmith via TUHS]

On 5/6/25 15:52, Dan Cross wrote:
> I just heard that, after ATC'25, USENIX will be sunsetting the annual
> technical conference: this will apparently be the last one.
> 
> I can't find any reference for it, though, and the web site mentions
> ATC'26 in Seattle?

See https://www.usenix.org/blog/usenix-atc-announcement

-- 
         -Alan Coopersmith-                 alan.coopersmith@oracle.com
          Oracle Solaris Engineering - https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris

[TUHS] Re: ATC'25 is the last ATC?

[Larry McVoy]

On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 07:11:26PM -0700, Alan Coopersmith via TUHS wrote:
> On 5/6/25 15:52, Dan Cross wrote:
> >I just heard that, after ATC'25, USENIX will be sunsetting the annual
> >technical conference: this will apparently be the last one.
> >
> >I can't find any reference for it, though, and the web site mentions
> >ATC'26 in Seattle?
> 
> See https://www.usenix.org/blog/usenix-atc-announcement

I might regret this in the morning but I'd like to share when Usenix
ceased to matter to me.  I was the program committee chair for the 1999
Linux Expo which was a Usenix alternative.

Before I go on, there is some back story.  I reviewed papers for Usenix
a bunch.  One of the best papers I ever reviewed is this one:

http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/papers/rtlmanifesto.pdf

It got rejected, not on merit, but because Victor was not in the club, he
was an unknown.  Rob Gingell, someone I feared and respected, said he 
rejected it "because it wasn't posix".  Not Rob's best day, the whole
point was posix couldn't do what Victor did.  Read that paper, it did
real time right, nobody else has come close to do real time and time
sharing.  They fight each other.

In 1999 when I was going to that conference, Ellie reached out to me
and begged me to bring Linux to Usenix.  She said I could have whatever
I wanted, on the program committee for life, whatever I wanted.

I asked for blind peer reviews.  She said no.

I used to love Usenix, I've written papers that were published there,
but Usenix is dead to me.  They did it to themselves.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy           Retired to fishing          http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat

[TUHS] Re: ATC'25 is the last ATC?

[Alan Coopersmith via TUHS]

On 5/14/25 07:54, Larry McVoy wrote:
> On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 09:33:36AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
>> It's a lot more than that, though.  I was at IBM at that time, and at
>> IBM, right about then the bonus for getting for getting published at a
>> conference had gotten eliminated.  It was very clear that as far as
>> IBM management was concerned, conference publication didn't matter.
>> If you filed a patent, you would get paid a cash bonus.  If you submit
>> to any conference --- you wouldn't.
> 
> That's wild.  To the best of my knowledge, Sun didn't give you a bonus
> for either a paper or a patent, it was just part of the job.

I started at Sun after you left, and don't know when they started but
patent bonuses were common in the 2000's at Sun.  They paid up to
$2000/person, with a max of $6000/team, when a patent was filed.
(Based on a 2004 slide deck encouraging us to file more patents,
I never got one to verify. They did emphasize they wanted patents for
defensive reasons, including cross-licensing deals, not to attack other
companies.)

	-alan-

[TUHS] Re: ATC'25 is the last ATC?

[Rod Bartlett via TUHS]

U.S. Robotics had the best bonuses for filing patents of any company I've worked for.  I think it was $1000 if they decided to file the patent application and another $1000 when it was granted.  I also got an all expenses paid trip to Barcelona in 1999 for having filed 2 patents that year.  Other companies were not nearly as generous.

 - Rod

> On May 15, 2025, at 5:00 PM, Stuff Received <stuff@riddermarkfarm.ca> wrote:
> 
> On 2025-05-14 10:54, Larry McVoy wrote:
>> On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 09:33:36AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
>>> It's a lot more than that, though.  I was at IBM at that time, and at
>>> IBM, right about then the bonus for getting for getting published at a
>>> conference had gotten eliminated.  It was very clear that as far as
>>> IBM management was concerned, conference publication didn't matter.
>>> If you filed a patent, you would get paid a cash bonus.  If you submit
>>> to any conference --- you wouldn't.
>> That's wild.  To the best of my knowledge, Sun didn't give you a bonus
>> for either a paper or a patent, it was just part of the job.  I certainly
>> never got a bonus for that stuff.  They did pay expenses for conferences
>> but that was it.
> 
> We may be drifting off topic but my last employer paid $50 per application filed plus $100 per grant.  My penultimate employer paid a lousy $1 (minimal required consideration).
> 
> S.
>