From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7c716986 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8F851949AC; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 03:11:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0F693D85; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 03:11:28 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="itOpxEnZ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 530F893D85; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 03:11:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f45.google.com (mail-qv1-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD70E93D07 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 03:11:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f45.google.com with SMTP id z3so1063616qvn.0 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:11:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HcHaTriHpWbfi3YSEnNxvvABYqnohBdzS8OiXsPX/Lo=; b=itOpxEnZ2eIAqXuZXZ30M6jzgNgiehPJ31bAdJPY/hcj40ydkm2St+BIaJwrfQdYNX mJj9CsDxpH1lri6BgLlpqvPnFhfFQvTDLU61L7LjdAeRW5TiDpQ4OhJffX+dQZSneQS7 rLZfopcJ4s3NgWgOv1ihDY9Vx/z2gHAl+zzLJCM1ibPJm9kSrpueTVqGaYCFwIQ+pL90 8BsSmFUisfUPqaVIrWCF8EYm26V7MdmgS2U3Qf0ntOyyvrFOBrco7cKeDSavxvJcYob/ nzREXiMaqbWivvK0NUftiaLLmXvLBJBj7/ygsF8hgnV7ab77eWqv28i8dcUyYjqV8Cgh pWRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HcHaTriHpWbfi3YSEnNxvvABYqnohBdzS8OiXsPX/Lo=; b=VdHu/bFgrYDasaXO6ljSR+vn1Up8ZeQize79A2NyJ0lgbfii/7wd6mHyz+oUgrJHoY JHn6gTkAxtLlX+WitFMJ2Xq1kQu3wtgirjAM17j20h9bPPQIwgPNRZ3ph0jojSrnLHBy xcw8cooaV+MsrlYlE7AWCnth+CoMd3wdisAEu3B6q3Q9e7MaUZX4AFBoKvHPEXLXv/W4 P/xhmOXfmyKCSuw/bKO9jWQ8m4h+NT4ZGqE0/3tWBPx8zy/qQ4f11JPxeJzWu9nihreu 8t2OLYGz1K8oKaqx6QkXpjvOZPNLholP5IcbTSz7Tj+bLMuI6xU4V+8S4zyKm1ZT0zk8 z+Xg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWYjxdeMAzPDxMcMc64reTWKjGh6DTnryFMVdaFO67ESL9a2oJG pt1qIAZRKr0VqCAt1meJGpokZwEjsKu6H2Mbhw/juC4M X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzlEUk02JRkq7lL1SVF9hQ9aOc8Ivc7ZVCXFAx/yNYetzJf18qYEPwE7QnLdcsagzueD2kW6lKjuIRmsn9A7Z8= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:fac1:: with SMTP id p1mr3725321qvo.231.1578676284826; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:11:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9c507ef665851fd21ecdf0e23136dc86@firemail.de> <1ippPk-8PE-00@marmaro.de> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 12:10:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: Nemo Nusquam Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002c2b6c059bcc3777" Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000002c2b6c059bcc3777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:39 AM Nemo Nusquam wrote: > In earlier days, my wife was given email by telnetting to an SGI system > and using elm. One day, I visited her office as she was composing a > message. Intrigued, I asked her what the editor was. She did not know > and pointed to her cheat-sheet listing editor commands. One was ^X^C to > exit-and-send. She is not a programmer and I was a bit surprised at > their choice. > Hmm, I'm actually kind of not. Starting users off with a modal editor (that starts in command mode, no less!) can be surprising for novices; with emacs, at least you can start typing text and, well, see text. I think that one of the smartest things Marc Crispin ever did was write `pico` to go with `pine`. A simple editor targeted at the novice was really useful for casual and/or new users, particularly as the Internet spread and an account on a Unix system was the default introduction to email etc for so many. - Dan C. --0000000000002c2b6c059bcc3777 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:39 AM Nemo Nus= quam <cym224@gmail.com> wrote= :
In earlier days, my wife was given email by telnetting to an S= GI system
and using elm.=C2=A0 One day, I visited her office as she was composing a <= br> message.=C2=A0 Intrigued, I asked her what the editor was. She did not know=
and pointed to her cheat-sheet listing editor commands.=C2=A0 One was ^X^C = to
exit-and-send.=C2=A0 She is not a programmer and I was a bit surprised at <= br> their choice.

Hmm, I'm actually kin= d of not. Starting users off with a modal editor (that starts in command mo= de, no less!) can be surprising for novices; with emacs, at least you can s= tart typing text and, well, see text.

I think that= one of the smartest things Marc Crispin ever did was write `pico` to go wi= th `pine`. A simple editor targeted at the novice was really useful for cas= ual and/or new users, particularly as the Internet spread and an account on= a Unix system was the default introduction to email etc for so many.
=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Dan C.

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