From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 720c7ce2 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 13:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E658D93D5C; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:16:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565EF93D2D; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:15:48 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="CDkqFzLt"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3F75093D2D; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:15:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f177.google.com (mail-qt1-f177.google.com [209.85.160.177]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B04A493D1B for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:15:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f177.google.com with SMTP id v25so2794750qto.7 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 05:15:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8XviOu+dgq51Nuv/E5m4oP4RswgsHG+/ZW7nEnPktmc=; b=CDkqFzLtjSPv0n3DIa3hw/huq2j79QfptsUtFF1ygvW+P/penqXXDTJskYP0dTjfb+ S1+shsYuFF8dlJP6vXpKfc65EjExbtZDJxe7M5ed5KimS+XjtGrEbzn+KpFzYKR+UG6b ijpQS4fVXj5LXI5m5XK2uknjEyF2O1ArGX1laqo6vKjHWeNBzzQW9JG17YV3MV77UYYM I+WoTDO3f5E2g01hBQwKZ47KP2qpHKYXlmHtHUK105CgvRZR0/hxckNS8ctIbbaii2nG D5/O1IQHxVEJDWv1l5hI/bstGHJ3v21M3n8X8mBB1tbVeR27rdos1tchYzAyTFJRxgtf L7gw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8XviOu+dgq51Nuv/E5m4oP4RswgsHG+/ZW7nEnPktmc=; b=AlS2Eh3v8blvwGUCL6j3/KqfZe6Kysu2t5aSUPd+cxBu5hM0q7NeaiFp4E3KTZ8SPe LExIF+0vtjVnhdU3+uCQhYOu2K+92ukSKsWIzG9cNPZI8cswr5R7nZSrJ1WA4d1x8VJp 5gDb/jo65KowRMCRPpxRlgGTJF2/FPsxeX2wIy3tquvfLovSsOef3MZ2E0PdnCqLLWd/ OcCAHinvzUnkAMnPUvUrTcpeJ3/CAFv9jt9uJYXmbQiT8eXo52NczISDOsqYco+qs2Eg s8ZTquibKPG1gL2STcieEMu7vtR5EXHBRtrci1cp2Y9fPj+JEFj4aBNA7TqRu2costq9 tZEA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWKN1MgbvThNMyyEpO/jYCCsRxMvWPSkYPkRrlpn7bMfISmC5mi Ny07r1zwQ3Zh4u6ubrbMX9p/5Z1PQ1b5RKHRTdE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxACWlq1hIthIQ+8S/Z7PVE7A/vfPYR1VLUDw9YCbrIVmvbDvZgv9venRLFbcScicyt3s3IoRAbpTVYc0CLfYY= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:481a:: with SMTP id g26mr25271840qtq.91.1582204543747; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 05:15:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202002171520.01HFKqKi026749@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <4d252035b323b7583c5760c952d1982c@firemail.de> <202002171839.01HId8FT1358073@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <202002180017.01I0HI0I1415945@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20200219044444.GO30841@mcvoy.com> <615399517.295857.1582135972871@email.ionos.co.uk> <202002200727.01K7RFwj014313@freefriends.org> <26D76662-B9A6-4BBB-9D23-6D1E4EE27782@cfcl.com> In-Reply-To: <26D76662-B9A6-4BBB-9D23-6D1E4EE27782@cfcl.com> From: Dan Cross Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 08:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: To: Rich Morin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000caca75059f01b344" Subject: Re: [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000caca75059f01b344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:44 AM Rich Morin wrote: > I looked at Solaris very briefly and decided that it wasn't my idea > of a proper (read, BSD) Unix system. So, I kept my Sun running SunOS > until I finally replaced it with a FreeBSD box. > I got the Unix-on-PCs religion sometime in the mid-'90s after Sun's shift to Solaris and SVR4 and FreeBSD was my ecclesiastic weapon of choice after a brief flirtation with Linux. I will admit, with a small amount of shame, that I still carry around a bit of that chauvinism, though now driven primarily by nostalgia instead of belief in technical superiority. When I was in high school, the folks I looked up to told me, "BSD is the stuff; SysV is garbage" and not knowing anything, I adopted that as a sort of "four legs good, two legs bad" kinda mantra. I liked Sun machines because they were what the cool people were using, but the move to Solaris felt like a betrayal and I started looking for alternatives. The Alpha was promising, but didn't make a lot of local headway. SGIs were neat but felt like high-end toys for graphics weenies and Irix was too weird for my taste. PCs were getting fast, though, and within a couple of years we went from my 486DX/33 to 200 MHz Pentiums and FreeBSD was real, so that seemed like the way forward. It amazed me how everyone around me kind of rolled over, threw their hands up and said, "Oh well, I guess we all have to run Solaris now...." Wait, what? Why? I remember being dismayed that no one else saw the potential for running essentially gratis software on cheap, fast hardware, and that the same people who gladly put down multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars for a VAX a decade prior, but then threw away the vendor-supplied OS and installed 4.3BSD now were so concerned about things like, "vendor support" that they couldn't see to doing essentially the same thing, but at much lower overall cost. What a time.... - Dan C. --000000000000caca75059f01b344 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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