From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id e67bd547 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 02:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A9DF19CC07; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 12:24:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7A39CB86; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 12:23:57 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="PVaNHvpj"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F0DC89CB86; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 12:23:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f48.google.com (mail-qv1-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C5849CB15 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 12:23:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f48.google.com with SMTP id dp13so2158463qvb.7 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 18:23:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8VRsTclEF0nbal5ce4FL9yPOjJRbS96Y340FwJ31K6c=; b=PVaNHvpjXdEFDv6HOWrXRXDTcXDgyNIqwa6HZ95SWn6eMvRN+TjvkaLlHBQb1FOvfw 6s0yZfCcKs/C/zhN1CbL//3TY8qxwb7aZiWMIQuxCMUabeDSjUbKf+8BPAHm2wKhaYWW G5yYyQIGyUd7FU0AMOaDbjtR+X84nc2+11AbFVFVLLH+5igHz4ys5YPcr8ZquO+yGt7e tOHaxOvH9/4cjdEf5zGfEnGhmhJfgWwomerQD8acXrODHtX/SFkcRWkLUsCwUz3LqyG8 SdgkIHinr8GprCQAl3rMfeQHKijDuBmhxdDtN7wmyKv3yCiOONCVMtwswha32xo6u2af 7eJA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8VRsTclEF0nbal5ce4FL9yPOjJRbS96Y340FwJ31K6c=; b=ocGjJKlQjmYZe+pxUXUXwC2kq6pGokzVu6iQ4hyl6dk/gnAkp/cuj/qdw1RO1O1SWN aeia6hpJQ8XXHspeadVWT8B4aLBkKw/ZAOk5CvgAeFeIEzzWKD141Ufo4Cq24B0u6Mcr JCRKdx1RNs5zS3Pu7o7tJ7p6BPGFI9o5HMjmj9OPJ7oSotGK0qrGuKrcU0deD3b/Idf5 Y5o+XdHnNXz12DvMHcxnzqvYmaN5hTBqzKZH12L2yw3AkrNdnLRsaBCHpfqhzAJL+wVl t2f3lEvabk5QNPYFjlh0r2DlVO8WK0BmfXrVSVZa9qZSn1pXDS6DsJGBEqU9vZpe4TLY 905Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUCz4bRZ09kIAZndPRxUp26jGh107ZaDvRH1SfdDVYUFgvfgMni Pa51JN12028lTXkSssc1uRA7tv7ZCHuWGRCIqUA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyCducwxdyYGXDDbcgBYdUZWPn8C8pD5XTl27vfpxW0BwShvtgToz+1tEb1ZJPQqF9uoEDb6p+hyN1ZD5l9irA= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:eb81:: with SMTP id x1mr580134qvo.72.1580955833407; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 18:23:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9c507ef665851fd21ecdf0e23136dc86@firemail.de> <1ippPk-8PE-00@marmaro.de> <1iqMuL-1zK-00@marmaro.de> <20200204094018.661e76717f7f475e6cb53e75@sjmulder.nl> <20200204201453.ebeaabon26vbgfle@localhost.localdomain> <202002050845.0158jDOu024559@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 21:23:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: Rob Pike Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000db1b44059ddef637" Subject: Re: [TUHS] pronouncing *nix formulas (was: screen editors) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000db1b44059ddef637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 3:52 PM Rob Pike wrote: > Frodo (Ted Kowalski) told me it was originally spelled, and pronounced, > fuck, for good reason, but he soon realized it was going to be used by > others and changed one letter. It was just letters after that. > Very often the novice Unix users learns how `rm -rf` works the hard way. I've always preferred the spelling, `rm -fr` where I tell people that the `fr` bit means, "fuck recursively." - Dan C. On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:34 AM Clem cole wrote: > >> FWIW. When it was written, Ted and I used pronounced it as =E2=80=9Cfisk= =E2=80=9D (rhymes >> with =E2=80=9Cdisk=E2=80=9D), but F. S. C. K. was always acceptable to m= y ears. I admit I >> smiled one time when I heard some one call it =E2=80=9Cf-sick=E2=80=9D b= ut that was not >> considered the proper pronunciation. >> >> Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not >> quite. >> >> > On Feb 5, 2020, at 3:45 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: >> > >> > "G. Branden Robinson" wrote: >> > >> >> At 2020-02-04T09:40:18+0100, Sijmen J. Mulder wrote: >> >>> markus schnalke wrote: >> >>>> Wikipedia writes that `ed' would be pronounced ``ee-dee'' (like >> >>>> ``vee-eye''), is that what you english speakers do? >> >> >> >> Certainly not. When one sees a command name that duplicates a >> >> frequently-used diminituve of a common name, the brain is going to >> >> select that preferentially. >> > >> > ISTR thinking of it and calling it e-d, along with r-m, l-n, m-v and >> > the other two-letter commands. >> > >> >> (And did people really say "dee-eye-tee-roff" for "ditroff"?) >> > >> > I did ... Although it's "groff" and not "g-roff". :-) >> > >> > FWIW, >> > >> > Arnold >> > --000000000000db1b44059ddef637 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 3:52 PM Rob Pike &= lt;robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
Frodo (Ted Kowalski) told me it was originally = spelled, and pronounced, fuck, for good reason, but he soon realized it was= going to be used by others and changed one letter. It was just letters aft= er that.

Very often the novice Unix u= sers learns how `rm -rf` works the hard way. I've always preferred the = spelling, `rm -fr` where I tell people that the `fr` bit means, "fuck = recursively."

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - D= an C.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:34 AM Clem cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
FWIW. When it was written, Ted and I used pronounced it as = =E2=80=9Cfisk=E2=80=9D (rhymes with =E2=80=9Cdisk=E2=80=9D), but F. S. C. K= . was always acceptable to my ears.=C2=A0 I admit I smiled one time when I = heard some one call it =E2=80=9Cf-sick=E2=80=9D but that was not considered= the proper pronunciation.

Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite= .

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 3:45 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
>
> "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote:=
>
>> At 2020-02-04T09:40:18+0100, Sijmen J. Mulder wrote:
>>> markus schnalke <meillo@marmaro.de> wrote:
>>>> Wikipedia writes that `ed' would be pronounced ``ee-de= e'' (like
>>>> ``vee-eye''), is that what you english speakers do= ?
>>
>> Certainly not.=C2=A0 When one sees a command name that duplicates = a
>> frequently-used diminituve of a common name, the brain is going to=
>> select that preferentially.
>
> ISTR thinking of it and calling it e-d, along with r-m, l-n, m-v and > the other two-letter commands.
>
>> (And did people really say "dee-eye-tee-roff" for "= ditroff"?)
>
> I did ... Although it's "groff" and not "g-roff&quo= t;. :-)
>
> FWIW,
>
> Arnold
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