From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13874 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2023 20:06:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 25 Jan 2023 20:06:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E549423EB; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 06:06:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f169.google.com (mail-lj1-f169.google.com [209.85.208.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF827423DE for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 06:06:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f169.google.com with SMTP id h17so2991272ljq.4 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 12:06:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=LCLYzDwzilqqTXW0lhiuTuJNlDqAiHJsl1AlSHM6QuU=; b=czNRL0/6XXBPsFBYtEatzJmItxczJJOzqdXjHBIJ0cF45A45n8Eprd0mSV0EycbIY6 zNuPPIeG/nCWbyReXZNay2+E3q6N9lr1ivE6Ub+1G2W8vfuY5LMaSP1FSW+SHkFlHvPV uEzgJqCHFQYdh0SwOGtCjJt4+t2fcyS4XmiO9RYo80+/noGBEx/VtZA+HAihYytxSRQa 5uzTiG36DmmDldXV0a7HrvoFBABOOyQBNi8TK+3hOmraE7lNDYvvEuyySY8pZuCnvCD5 6Xvw5f0Vn2tC7gbVN3e41jQqcqAZtewG4oItCfBDw8OUJDvVB27y9AkTpTcp7m6SloDb RKLg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=LCLYzDwzilqqTXW0lhiuTuJNlDqAiHJsl1AlSHM6QuU=; b=b2CRzouE4yCJL0bfyT3QQqtxv91M8+rWvBQX3kEE9DrKfnuxFY3qS8+yuosZVwwJjt gpyI3j2yIzzDead3EFyG2mh6Z3lAWfRtoP21FJNgypGlsLzCNnFsPRIvcBoRnLNZyEb2 vJk+9BdTTEgq8Ll+M+IOr3G8NQ5O73XK7MK43kbaIReisKec3oVGSwubFcl1X9L6fZDg jIZw1pFvwmt0kCQHM6h1e7LpsTxy0+q9WEbkvHms/IfZzyqpQz1/ZdsFi/HbfC16ynsU UZfSXEUqzgI6ijqMRHomvofR/se3ERkGiMXQBfOX5OKwi2TSNS/DZlSLjixV2Wg9cMEs kqmg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kq7mRjXI+3x4dKf1FmcMr6+NhucaDmpXNAqtsZOCD7ML/ol5Ys7 41WUs8niLma/QLPed9gRC9eXUTBRw/RAwLuqjYM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXuSCWwGkNGPgmGMmH2+xaSjEgrqMiVaPwlCROzPS6ctCdVVIkFzKZJZfuTXIjJ9MwaET9MH21DwtA/YdP9nbWA= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8081:0:b0:28b:7b2e:e748 with SMTP id i1-20020a2e8081000000b0028b7b2ee748mr1494759ljg.380.1674677104134; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 12:05:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3e272d72-b77a-d347-b5c3-7ed19482e5af@gmail.com> <3h5FEAegoTs6FrhHODiW-rBdB59dt_Rmr4G0PIw7flqaJLsmorgPsilm4f2aJkDud-qEljDjnCJcE1uY05Iw4HNQcyNG4W3wzVlLD0UZfLg=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 15:04:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Theodore Ts'o" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: KO5Y7PLFC7UJP2FDFFIPE4NPC6WH64FF X-Message-ID-Hash: KO5Y7PLFC7UJP2FDFFIPE4NPC6WH64FF X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 2:54 PM Theodore Ts'o wrote: >[snip] > The VAX 750's were huge time-sharing systems that you could connect to > via VT-100's and VS-100 that were hard-wired to the VAX 750's, and > telnet from IBM PC/AT's. The smaller clusters used PC/AT's because > they were more flexible as to which 750 you were connecting to; > otherwise, undergraduates had to go to the right terminal room in the > right part of campus to connect to the Vax 750 that you were assgined > to based on the starting character of your last name. (And graduate > students initially didn't have access to Project Athena at all; > although if you were in EECS, LCS or the AI Lab you had access to > dedicated systems, of course.) Was this before the introduction of DECserver terminal concentrators? >[snip] > There was a brief, shining moment that we were standardized on > BSD-derived Unix systems, but then IBM turned down AOS (the "academic" > operating system), and we were forced to use AIX on the IBM RT's, with > all that this implied: SMIT, and other horrors. Huh, I thought that AOS ran on all versions of the RT? I know they dropped support for it when the power-based RS/6000s came out and replaced the RT, though. > "AIX: it *reminds* you of Unix...." was the saying at the time --- > although we tried not to say that when the IBM engineers assigned > Athena were in hearing range :-). The one saving grace of the IBM > RT's was that they were three MIPS machines, while the Microvax's were > but a single MIPS, and that made a huge different if you were running > TeX or LaTeX. The RT was a weird duck, for sure. Compared to a SPARCstation it was absurdly slow, but I guess compared to a uVAX perhaps not so much. - Dan C.