Ah thanks, very cool. Btw, Ken Arnold, Michael Toy, and Glenn Wichman were all on a panel discussing rogue and Ken mentioned that source listing. Some folks might find it interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaB7iQhts_c Thanks! - Dan C. On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 9:22 AM Richard Salz wrote: > Ken Arnold posted the original source to > https://sourceforge.net/projects/rogue/ back in 2000. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 9:12 AM Bakul Shah wrote: > >> Glenn wrote up a brief history where he says it was first distributed >> with 4.2bsd. >> >> https://web.archive.org/web/19980625212119/http://www.wichman.org/roguehistory.html >> >> @ Fortune Systems in 1983/83 we had 3-4 college students working for a >> contract company Santa Cruz Operations(?) doing testing for us. He was one >> of them and later we hired him full time. I didn’t interact with him much >> though and once I quit Fortune I lost track of him. I think initially we >> had only a rogue binary on 4.1 running on VAX780 but I do not recall if he >> brought it to Fortune. Someone later ported it to the Fortune machine. I >> used to play Rogue while waiting for kernel compiles to finish. A few years >> ago I got it on FreeBSD and my muscle memory came back 100%! >> >> On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:16 AM, Dan Cross wrote: >> >>  >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 7:40 AM wrote: >> >>> Is the rogue source extant? I remember many people spending many >>> hours on rogue on the 4.[12] BSD vax at Georgia Tech. >>> >>> ISTR that rogue only came as a binary, there was no source. >>> >> >> It is; it looks like it was first distributed with 4.3BSD-Tahoe. The >> sources there are listed as "public domain rogue", but I'm not sure about >> the provenance of that code. >> >> - Dan C. >> >> >> Arnold >>> >>> Dan Cross wrote: >>> >>> > Thanks, Clem. I'm curious what other lore is out there: my suspicion is >>> > that rogue never ran on vanilla v6, but it would be great to validate. >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:51 PM Clem Cole wrote: >>> > >>> > > I first got it on V7, as I said on our 11/70 for sure but I don’t >>> remember >>> > > if we had it on the 11/60 before that. >>> > > >>> > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:07 PM Dan Cross wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> What was the first machine to run rogue? I understand that it was >>> written >>> > >> by Glenn Wichman and Michael Toy at UC Santa Cruz ca. 1980, using >>> the >>> > >> `curses` library (Ken Arnold's original, not Mary Ann's rewrite). >>> I've seen >>> > >> at least one place that indicates it first ran on 6th Edition, but >>> that >>> > >> doesn't sound right to me. The first reference I can find in BSD is >>> in 2.79 >>> > >> ("rogue.doc"), which also appears to be the first release to ship >>> curses. >>> > >> >>> > >> Anyone have any info? Thanks! >>> > >> >>> > >> - Dan C. >>> > >> >>> > >> -- >>> > > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual >>> > > >>> >>