* Re: [TUHS] Book Recommendation
@ 2021-12-03 2:50 Douglas McIlroy
2021-12-06 4:25 ` Adam Thornton
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From: Douglas McIlroy @ 2021-12-03 2:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: TUHS main list, duncanmak
http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/jeremy.gibbons/publications/fission.pdf
Duncan Mak wrote
> Haskell's powerful higher-level functions
> make middling fragments of code very clear, but can compress large
> code to opacity. Jeremy Gibbons, a high priest of functional
> programming, even wrote a paper about deconstructing such wonders for
> improved readability.
>
I went looking for this paper by Jeremy Gibbons here:
https://dblp.org/pid/53/1090.html but didn't find anything resembling it.
What's the name of the paper?
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* Re: [TUHS] Book Recommendation
2021-12-03 2:50 [TUHS] Book Recommendation Douglas McIlroy
@ 2021-12-06 4:25 ` Adam Thornton
2021-12-06 4:42 ` Dan Halbert
2021-12-06 14:11 ` [TUHS] [COFF] " Clem Cole
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From: Adam Thornton @ 2021-12-06 4:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Douglas McIlroy, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society,
Computer Old Farts Followers
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Probably time to move this to COFF, but
along the line of Fission for Program Comprehension....
I wonder how many of you don't know about Don Lancaster.
Pioneer in home computing back when that meant something, inventor of a
very low cost 1970s video terminal (the TV Typewriter), tremendously
skilled hacker, brilliant guy.
Also still alive, lives a couple hours away from me in Safford, AZ, and has
been doing fantastic research on Native American hanging canals for the
last couple decades.
Anyway: he wrote a magnificent piece on how to understand a (6502) program
from its disassembly, which reminded me of Gibbons's work:
https://www.tinaja.com/ebooks/tearing_rework.pdf
I don't think Don ever had a lot of crossover with the more academic world
of Unix people, but he's one of my heroes and I have learned a hell of a
lot from his works.
Adam
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* Re: [TUHS] Book Recommendation
2021-12-06 4:25 ` Adam Thornton
@ 2021-12-06 4:42 ` Dan Halbert
2021-12-06 5:18 ` Charles H. Sauer
2021-12-06 14:11 ` [TUHS] [COFF] " Clem Cole
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From: Dan Halbert @ 2021-12-06 4:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: tuhs
On 12/5/21 11:25 PM, Adam Thornton wrote:
> I wonder how many of you don't know about Don Lancaster.
>
> Pioneer in home computing back when that meant something, inventor of
> a very low cost 1970s video terminal (the TV Typewriter), tremendously
> skilled hacker, brilliant guy.
>
In 1970, in eighth grade, I learned digital logic from his "RTL
Cookbook" and the SWTPC Digital Logic Microlab, from Popular
Electronics: https://www.tinaja.com/glib/microlab.pdf, both of which I
still have.
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* Re: [TUHS] Book Recommendation
2021-12-06 4:42 ` Dan Halbert
@ 2021-12-06 5:18 ` Charles H. Sauer
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From: Charles H. Sauer @ 2021-12-06 5:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dan Halbert; +Cc: tuhs
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> On Dec 5, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Dan Halbert <halbert@halwitz.org> wrote:
>
> On 12/5/21 11:25 PM, Adam Thornton wrote:
>> I wonder how many of you don't know about Don Lancaster.
>>
>> Pioneer in home computing back when that meant something, inventor of a very low cost 1970s video terminal (the TV Typewriter), tremendously skilled hacker, brilliant guy.
>>
>
> In 1970, in eighth grade, I learned digital logic from his "RTL Cookbook" and the SWTPC Digital Logic Microlab, from Popular Electronics: https://www.tinaja.com/glib/microlab.pdf, both of which I still have.
In 1972, while i was still ambivalent about my music ambitions, in the second year of my transition to computer ambitions, pondering the combination of those ambitions, I built one of Lancaster’s function generator projects, depicted on the cover at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Electronics/70s/1972/Radio-Electronics-1972-09.pdf <https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Electronics/70s/1972/Radio-Electronics-1972-09.pdf>. I think i still have it in the garage, but am not sure if I could still get it to work.
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* Re: [TUHS] [COFF] Book Recommendation
2021-12-06 4:25 ` Adam Thornton
2021-12-06 4:42 ` Dan Halbert
@ 2021-12-06 14:11 ` Clem Cole
2021-12-06 14:22 ` Dan Cross
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From: Clem Cole @ 2021-12-06 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Adam Thornton
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society, Computer Old Farts Followers,
Douglas McIlroy
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Adam - first thank you. Pleased to know he's still kicking around.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 11:26 PM Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think Don ever had a lot of crossover with the more academic world
> of Unix people, but he's one of my heroes and I have learned a hell of a
> lot from his works.
>
Not true at all. If you grew up as EE, in the late 1960s/early 1970s it
was hard to not know about him since he was so prolific. FWIW, before I
went to CMU, he was already a hero and I had a number of books from the
late 1960's. When I was freshman in the early 1970s, his TTL Cookbook was
an optional text for the intro to EE course [I already had it but a number
of my mates had never seen it before]. His CMOS Cookbox was not published
yet, but when it was, I bought it.
Side story, I want to say about 1969/70, after reading one of his articles
in Radio-Electronics I sent him a (US snail mail) letter asking him for
help in designing an RF interface to a TV. He replied to me but told me
such a design would be illegal to make as it would run afoul of FCC rules.
I wish I had kept that letter, but he reversed himself a few years later
with his TV Typewriter and Son of Video books. My guess is he had been
researching the idea for one of the magazines when I contacted him, and
must have gotten a ruling from legal counsel about publishing the same. I
always wondered what made him change his mind a few years later. Since he
seems to publish an email, I think I'll have to write him and ask that way
to see if he responds.
Clem
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* Re: [TUHS] [COFF] Book Recommendation
2021-12-06 14:11 ` [TUHS] [COFF] " Clem Cole
@ 2021-12-06 14:22 ` Dan Cross
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From: Dan Cross @ 2021-12-06 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Clem Cole; +Cc: Computer Old Farts Followers, Douglas McIlroy
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On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 9:15 AM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
> Adam - first thank you. Pleased to know he's still kicking around.
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 11:26 PM Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think Don ever had a lot of crossover with the more academic
>> world of Unix people, but he's one of my heroes and I have learned a hell
>> of a lot from his works.
>>
> Not true at all. If you grew up as EE, in the late 1960s/early 1970s it
> was hard to not know about him since he was so prolific. FWIW, before I
> went to CMU, he was already a hero and I had a number of books from the
> late 1960's. When I was freshman in the early 1970s, his TTL Cookbook was
> an optional text for the intro to EE course [I already had it but a number
> of my mates had never seen it before]. His CMOS Cookbox was not published
> yet, but when it was, I bought it.
>
Indeed, still well-known: I have both his TTL and CMOS cookbooks within
easy reach.
- Dan C.
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* Re: [TUHS] [COFF] Book Recommendation
@ 2021-12-06 14:29 Noel Chiappa
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From: Noel Chiappa @ 2021-12-06 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: coff, tuhs; +Cc: jnc
OK, this is my last _civil_ request to stop email-bombing both lists with
trafic. In the future, I will say publicly _exactly_ what I think - and if
screens still had phosphor, it would probably peel it off.
I can see that there are cases when one might validly want to post to both
lists - e.g. when starting a new discusson. However, one of the two should
_always_ be BCC'd, so that simple use of reply won't generate a copy to
both. I would suggest that one might say something like 'this discussion is
probably best continued on the <foo> list' - which could be seeded by BCCing
the _other_.
Thank you.
Noel
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