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Regarding Mark V. Shaney, I once heard a story that someone was so upset about some of its posts on USENET that they drove to Bell Labs to confront it, not realizing "he" was in fact a program, and not a person. On arriving at the labs, someone explained what was what, they went home, and that was the end of it. But, in the version I heard, they drove from, like, Ohio...or somewhere in the midwest. I find this very difficult to believe: surely by the time they got to Harrisburg, perhaps, they'd have cooled down enough to realize they were making poor life choices and should turn around and go back home. Is there any truth to this, or is the story (as I suspect) just apocryphal? - Dan C.