From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE3E23DAE for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:59:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE8D43DC7; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:59:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x22d.google.com (mail-lj1-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22d]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67C8843DC0 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:59:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2ebe40673d8so91557181fa.3 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 04:59:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1719489570; x=1720094370; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=0kEJIgYnBub9Vsb91e95inhZ74w+5Bz2PQKCIxRFgFU=; b=AbkwwXuBbLBhjjyOVuplbNlJvHrDoabx7HwZp9OCA+Hi2l7A3uMEvphUdraBcrIlvX xaMenmAhQNfCHRHK6RDiNKGx1W2hK00Fyh+jyTPICw0tfveRtnduGMaxlG91CF5eyED4 TNAzwaPQaLZTPlnVfAU/GA181Zy+VaFMcP2oEGwyC5Y++j6zpzOWOMv4wWmibROCrGPP NLG1W25mpgoh2TcZmokH0suWyA5XU0sjI1+Iuwankv23kiCTuPFDI5QKYv/mUZg52ZjE YDK/rzCXXxhS6NRtVAe/bcpmL0MklXd89M6rJKN3iyKDSa7f2bStYlMcd72LSt4gWLLL vROQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1719489570; x=1720094370; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=0kEJIgYnBub9Vsb91e95inhZ74w+5Bz2PQKCIxRFgFU=; b=O2zPH+OB1/vBRsKN6soM0Xdr4CLST60CEdI6zbNwJBnIDRog4wQ3xoITKzH/W6Quy1 MWYyAFiBNK2kqqHuRbUcD4va3kTcBzihmxMKU190pXWIVZujZ46FvRtbd+3kkExt3Rca /M5RYWb9xLTJjmB6Wkd1SiQE0dX8gl8z2nav2r7R8kQbTftF3LJ9DQ/lTfAZfEJRltOq es0eLsClejPIclo1z79i0LN3KmJK/gb7itGQ2ErcxVFP2XB8lWz9AifuvWrQ42S9a8l/ YJHrlC+YyfoqxS3U+hvAfUkzLNYncQ5EDqKBMVuj4z91y0EZaow0Bgkoj8w8DQIcJiGU t4HQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWtGiLzWpl8OqFeosq5+xusQwffNt8ngsC/LdlLRXZHA6u1PRXsXA1yAGNM9nuuUpnFmni7B/rR+LE983L4 X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwV1feFv3h0OBw17sWqcv315peKx2QpAZ6OpJYLgY0/L+NmGEKO jkWMUdPgnY7VoVPwwGbVxAXrdPUrRr2upnPPV6Qfh555DZH8+6poH2W9eGodc2C84cLy2L5wOHH iylfPQx5e5Au3v4dOcfsGgj7nkgPQjE79 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGXizNnSy6b4rbM5/n3izikESoqkFoJQXjj8pNQceoHogYjfoKl5gf/3unRXv78rD0eqh1M0gQECZXOI/p4KR4= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9887:0:b0:2ec:51b2:2cb6 with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2ec5b345de7mr76394021fa.27.1719489570176; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 04:59:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240626215309.XWtuefzk@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 07:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: 5UHBALQ75FFKF5PZYNO4A7DCTDNIC452 X-Message-ID-Hash: 5UHBALQ75FFKF5PZYNO4A7DCTDNIC452 X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Alan Coopersmith , Marc Rochkind , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Origin of the name POSIX (was: ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:47=E2=80=AFPM Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Wednesday, 26 June 2024 at 20:44:12 -0400, Clem Cole wrote: > > rms had nothing to do with the name posix. I have no idea where that > > comment came from. > > At the very least, from rms himself: > https://stallman.org/articles/posix.html > There's a reference to this page in the Wikipedia page on POSIX. > > > The p1003 committee for Ieee was the portable operating system standard= and > > at the time adding ix was the norm. POSIX became the term we all used = to > > refer to the work we doing. Rms was not involved in any way > > rms suggests that he was involved in the committee? Not true? Maybe > a different, related committee? A way to verify this would be to look for attendee lists from early POSIX meetings, though I'm having trouble locating them. My initial search turned up this document, a 1995 retrospective from Hal Jespersen, where he credits Stallman for coining the name "POSIX": https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/210308.210313. Still, that's not a primary source, and it's mentioned only in passing. I trust Clem's recollection more. Incidentally, and relevant to an earlier question, "why go through IEEE for the standard?" that's addressed in Jespersen's reminiscence. - Dan C.