From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5A2317E6 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 15:29:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82B842608; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 00:29:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x233.google.com (mail-lj1-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::233]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 645C94214B for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 00:29:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x233.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-30037784fceso16633551fa.2 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 06:29:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1734100155; x=1734704955; darn=tuhs.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NZpYtP55fE84/oKyjkXy/bR57rP7Hgkbi/eZZDut2OI=; b=QlnDN53mncal3l85R7XXlpHH2Dcg+wmhp16fNCz1IfAoriwAJBEI0FoZLTOvQHp9o6 EEZMEXI3dBB4G0PlQtEWgSNjiyAymdmyv+2Lwfi7TH7Qx/dHYu4wYV7nDPHBIa6Fb20o YiGLITHq+voTJxvsF02gykOCjEoIqGOp9l7O7BHk6eX7b2SWbwDMhrg1FzWLkwV7waB6 +16AYEV6LGLo4okuTlTV6RFcyTusTEUo5ewFJx640nJCY41E3sx5AwRXPgSLXyV+NMcW 12uk8K+2yqGb1Hpwy43uL5GJZKFHRz5rJEubli+PVhHWfv3dpM+UXRMQy/Kv6Cn+5Zgw F6aw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1734100155; x=1734704955; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NZpYtP55fE84/oKyjkXy/bR57rP7Hgkbi/eZZDut2OI=; b=j3kcwHbh0wH3EHJ6Nif0Z899FMoXMZAhq5D/40BsU/67jdW3h9M1ZzwGCgO4CUi3Zr FRuP8tiQu9IR4MlMskaeY20bWcwmCus6rSq5LOAHwtKmHUlFzoPw8DhOFna0gvwgnd/i 5n1CREsj3cxtjK4xYJoyG3/u0GbaVxXDXO0qMXCsWjwTD6eVYyJ9yw/lCzeGdmzVVTfe wp8hw0kdb4oiAyM8qtODOgHelPWtYgM1b2kmmQEMZ8AXr2SAERmgGHewuSwt3GJG/XBa 2U8Fn3y4EnslXDV3ZnrRtud2vsKQXEhjct/Df65JE/GDQuw2YokGgCioFWXMkRSRKKa8 qF2w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyQI2L6y96PlgtTiEBcXawH3bV3DqxnzQquPEbhpQRTqNIJ0q3U 5nWtPpTNewhYxsZH8laJNkBpnW73BebSVJXe550lYx5Llp4WOnujaAZJmpaxn1+lddtojlVeIUX dbCdkUj2coZEXJr58IsHlPvm53A3UNOP8 X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncvXH6v6+YJq3zPLYNEj16i2Pv0C6xTH+wle8TrW3kXHFwwfVrgfNcm29tRC2vG oUpbnJNpORpA9NLxZQWFUPrXl+8Wcz/myu/IgqFTR7BgYP5nhaFNFIhLRI964wdQOqWkPi9k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEAU5ZM/YCqmP/fX0gS3cfEhcNiAZeWeR5cnavszB1p8UD5wApq8hZeYgzZvq5jAQ1Q4oqmbp5nb5CbxUUwMBc= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:908b:0:b0:2fa:cc86:f217 with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-30254622bc2mr8542561fa.35.1734100154718; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 06:29:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dan Cross Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:28:38 -0500 Message-ID: To: TUHS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: 6PKA7FSCU2IYGDBSA2WNUMGDEVAT3UY7 X-Message-ID-Hash: 6PKA7FSCU2IYGDBSA2WNUMGDEVAT3UY7 X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] BSD talk program? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: I'm curious if anyone has any history they can share about the BSD "talk" program. I was fond of this back when it was still (relatively) common, but given the way it's architected I definitely see why it fell out of use as the Internet grew. Still, does anybody know what the history behind it is? Initially, I thought it was written by Mike Karels, but that was just my speculation from SCCS spelunking, and looking at the sources from 4.2, I see RCS header strings that indicate it was written by "moore" (Peter Moore?). talk.c says, "Written by Kipp Hickman". It seems to have arrived pretty early on with respect to the introduction of TCP/IP in BSD: the README alludes to some things coming up in 4.1c. Clem, you seem to have had a hand in it, and are credited (along with Peter Moore) for making it work on 4.1a. So I guess the question is, what was the motivation? Was it just to have a more pleasing user-to-user communications experience, or was discussion across the network an explicit goal? There's a note in talk.c ("Modified to run between hosts by Peter Moore, 8/19/82") that suggests this wasn't the original intent. Who thought up the character-at-a-time display mode? Thanks for any insights. - Dan C.