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From: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Book Recommendation [ reallly inscrutable languages ]
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 16:17:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W7EerqquxroDqzaDPeZ03UEcKtC3bXPvyYtUy_8t-pXxQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfp65G_MZRiAQ3pBVW5UCBjhoDk-wu8CLNnX7j4V-9B16g@mail.gmail.com>

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On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 3:54 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, 1:48 PM Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 11:35 AM Norman Wilson <norman@oclsc.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Wasn't Perl created to fill this void?
>>>
>>> Void? I thought Perl was created to fill a much-needed gap.
>>>
>> There was and is a need for something to sit between Shell and C.  But it
>> needn't be filled by Perl.
>>
>> The chief problem with Perl, as I see it, is it's like 10 languages
>> smashed together.  To write it, you only need to know one of the 10.  But
>> to read it, you never know what subset you're going to see until you're
>> deep in the code.
>>
>> Perl is the victim of an experiment in exuberant, Opensource design,
>> where the bar to adding a new feature was troublingly low.
>>
>> It was undeniably influential.
>>
>
> It's what paved the way for python to fill that gap...
>

I feel that Perl, and to a lesser extent Tcl, opened the floodgates for a
number of relatively lightweight "scripting" languages that sat between C
and the shell in terms of their functionality and expressive power. From
that group, the one I liked best was Ruby, but it got hijacked by Rails and
Python swooped in and stole its thunder.

        - Dan C.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-17 21:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-16 17:00 [TUHS] Book Recommendation Douglas McIlroy
2021-11-16 17:54 ` [TUHS] Book Recommendation [ reallly inscrutable languages ] Jon Steinhart
2021-11-16 17:57   ` Ron Natalie
2021-11-16 18:00   ` Dan Cross
2021-11-16 18:04   ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-16 19:53     ` Richard Salz
2021-11-16 20:05       ` Warner Losh
2021-11-17 19:12   ` Norman Wilson
2021-11-17 20:46     ` Dan Stromberg
2021-11-17 20:52       ` Warner Losh
2021-11-17 21:17         ` Dan Cross [this message]
2021-11-17 22:21           ` Rob Pike
2021-11-18  0:35             ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-19 20:04               ` Alan Glasser
2021-11-19 20:14                 ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-19 21:48                   ` Alan Glasser
2021-11-19 22:28                     ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-19 23:17               ` Alan Glasser
2021-11-18 21:03             ` George Michaelson
2021-11-18 21:39               ` Rob Pike
2021-11-17 22:36     ` Bakul Shah
2021-11-18  0:56       ` Dan Stromberg
     [not found] ` <CAKH6PiXinxBQGRqoeGMcG9CwTA5BNeU-LY164f-ZLYA4obsyuA@mail.g mail.com>
2021-11-16 18:47   ` [TUHS] Book Recommendation John Foust via TUHS
2021-11-16 20:35 ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-02 21:35 ` Duncan Mak
2021-12-02 22:32   ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-02 22:34   ` Rob Pike
2021-11-16 19:29 [TUHS] Book Recommendation [ reallly inscrutable languages ] Douglas McIlroy
2021-11-16 19:54 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-11-18 18:47 Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2021-11-18 19:03 ` arnold
2021-11-18 19:16   ` Chet Ramey
2021-11-18 19:20     ` arnold
2021-11-18 21:03   ` John Cowan
2021-11-18 21:42 ` Rich Morin
2021-11-18 22:59 Nelson H. F. Beebe

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