From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28532 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2024 20:31:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jan 2024 20:31:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865E843E87; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 06:31:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x234.google.com (mail-lj1-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::234]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33D6643E81 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 06:31:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x234.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2cd0c17e42bso12689961fa.0 for ; Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:31:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1704227462; x=1704832262; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=//8+tUCqWehyuYGPr8vVe+8W5rKcqS4iuL/vUBKXpL8=; b=mHIH3xQAy+rbS2UJGnexfKU8KJG73a7NW1GxkLQvQ8pyrQm1WooJVLQa/IGjOjc2Io xCT4zgyA2xzv1/heIOayHpWrpQauzLtdp4Y/YCcPWyPulwLt2qE9VcvmW3qPF/IDe9Px PFkYIvPuQ0nR9n7NUW/DUoiw3+u4+rgtNsnwS+U7b4+Abex4rV9b4nRXqGEA2h9kYj42 EO5bU60qFIhROj0E/27PMyU3U8o4HfmDjlER7lyagZ/udjUC2Zc8fK3351zhUYPyKT05 f83wUNQF6W0xlnq0YBp2GfdYBZfhG3hlXJ7ayViFYORcSnU1D0wgMfbmdadKOOQ5RUbB ALwg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1704227462; x=1704832262; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=//8+tUCqWehyuYGPr8vVe+8W5rKcqS4iuL/vUBKXpL8=; b=ndPrpJ9hN7h3WaXYfpbU0D+8qu3of2oS9HA+Xpj28ZXlk20FJh7f0Ckn3SlLblWFdF uaDdLSu19HMfleh63XvlgovVDFx8Jbxerj4Dpf7LlLYIF7n1HGSnnR941BmN5rpshinO qFDlK+/Mr2gf9ZzQJ0N7+UCtnkJ7B+84eg/F1EtCh3mSP370tks/S2HwXEbDRdp4zIeb OAzy6vAleiPpVCbfM7bBsyaMylPKItBdWTjbN62Dldm21sXimj/gSjL6Y0UXyu7WAtcY pTTSwoh8hv/dJkMXcpflqp04WMWhWGAkce12Ag9hf+I+ODVZJuRrDa+SKip/k10Ktc6S XPuw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwF7F4MtWkPcTkRCjc6VeO5Kgc37fn/ppAXQlX3XYoTFJMd3BxZ v6ygtsqOq7iRj4pucQ4d+ci2ZIiyHhtrYflbcZQJ0J+m X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGGwl85wzenJTE2gdQGG6DF+tOiFe43GG61yd7m+tFaqfSxB3jFpwUAlei1ywOZQXMqPhLcw6j1hmWvjnRXJPA= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8317:0:b0:2cc:f190:dde1 with SMTP id a23-20020a2e8317000000b002ccf190dde1mr2939608ljh.64.1704227461957; Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:31:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6470c59f-a1e5-418f-803d-76bcd761f530@tnetconsulting.net> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2024 15:30:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: KSF6GTT44FK6AQF7A33V4W354ZPZGQD5 X-Message-ID-Hash: KSF6GTT44FK6AQF7A33V4W354ZPZGQD5 X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Grant Taylor , The Unix Heritage Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Question about BSD disklabel history List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 2:50=E2=80=AFPM Dan Cross wrote: > On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 2:00=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wrote= : > > [snip] > > Yea, I have a memory of the Sun 3 (68k) machines having a different ROM= than the Sun 4 (sparc) machines in the late 80s/early 90s with similar int= erfaces, but the Sun 3's being simpler. Maybe I just worked with older Sun = 3's that didn't have a newer OpenFirmware. > > Sun 3/50 and Sun 3/60 definitely had a different PROM arrangement than > SPARCstations. However, I have a vague memory that the Sun 3/80 used > OpenFirmware. The 3/80 (and similar Sun-3x machines introduced at the > same time) would have been among the last, if not the last, > MC68k-based Sun3 machine. I may be wrong, though; it's been a while. > Regardless, I vaguely remember the "ok" prompt on a 3/80. Hmm: correcting myself here. I can find no evidence that the 3/80 used OBP, but I can find documentation to the contrary (mostly in the form of documentation on how to rewrite the HostID when the NVRAM battery fails...Gah, the things one not only forgets but actively blots out of one's memory). It seems likely that Sun never shipped OF on 68k. - Dan C.