From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 30923 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2021 12:16:31 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jul 2021 12:16:31 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A73449C886; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 22:16:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A28C9C864; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 22:15:39 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="jBefTTdi"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BC6DF9C864; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 22:15:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f180.google.com (mail-oi1-f180.google.com [209.85.167.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E90F9C861 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 22:15:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f180.google.com with SMTP id r20so6472247oic.2 for ; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 05:15:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eINsVe2ueQ+pbaIc4a2LcRqjOVL+0C5KQp8OmqwC2BE=; b=jBefTTdiEnmCzJTM5cVEKC2qcA2EHFj+X/wzAUyfmGDlGcfGz6zphvr3b9+Bs28VHF AegE/l2bZb1iRi/uFFpq1nbEW26Ku23n0hFJvKP1iSgh5VqZkeQ8gmK5Kf+k89pCm0ab Npr7wFzVDUkTKd5zRVAUr0yWPapUhHYfMPhPKGhvYmq1mmJsC0l5A0X+dXyfZ9iZfgOK lykPZks4HkBNdX8nCeMnk0Fes7URdt5tZIG21oYop7/UMDLHIxVgzfz8pVSX9dMx3Usw QpubpLL1uUDXVGPHWdtFgs1pEa/DQpWaiKZarkc2/G07Votw2N4ddARGCBrlSHhLgPa4 d6PA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eINsVe2ueQ+pbaIc4a2LcRqjOVL+0C5KQp8OmqwC2BE=; b=gPUpUDaFFKOtwJirkpOtVA1NUaNC6YZMApeLz+qW21j++m9wICC+//PgD0Xs5HLFEn UEDjQWIm9ux4RbqpkYf8bD5V9GC3UcgaCH5QaOqXG2selJmxwBheQjcM/tR5MIn6klGL GLSU8ozTFXpGqEiNUr3t6W/7lxwPcfWnnYVTdcVJ0p/75+sUP/EodaI/WXcd251x0mRE Z7PP7aSAFIRgCayQtJXuE2KzJ0yXzVsZUgve0UbUpsayHHf1+vyX6gKN5ZVxOXcViRgx kK8/+cqKxaPeflw9Olc7NPwwo13KbSU++w0MD9CVutxXgY7yP6V3v0kSPpFU8zs9VHvr LgGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530GJ+QbO2SeTg2/kZ1b8W9lFhW13JDF3v+0jbS72GJoRGgROtJ1 b54JG+M8/Lke9ACPhHcbvDSltYzkFwitDSZLA8Kp4bfDuRk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwuQufOLtEH0xUC+7QWYg7wSmYbXJ7xiCG88feO/Lt1P6ouNXbAodPReCLdAOqkHaHG18JmfIzbYasukYE6IFg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:200d:: with SMTP id q13mr3743079oiw.24.1625228135859; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202107021140.162BeWZt018129@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <202107021140.162BeWZt018129@freefriends.org> From: Dan Cross Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 08:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: To: Aharon Robbins Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b7893f05c622e9d8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First machine to run rogue? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000b7893f05c622e9d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 7:40 AM wrote: > Is the rogue source extant? I remember many people spending many > hours on rogue on the 4.[12] BSD vax at Georgia Tech. > > ISTR that rogue only came as a binary, there was no source. > It is; it looks like it was first distributed with 4.3BSD-Tahoe. The sources there are listed as "public domain rogue", but I'm not sure about the provenance of that code. - Dan C. Arnold > > Dan Cross wrote: > > > Thanks, Clem. I'm curious what other lore is out there: my suspicion is > > that rogue never ran on vanilla v6, but it would be great to validate. > > > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:51 PM Clem Cole wrote: > > > > > I first got it on V7, as I said on our 11/70 for sure but I don=E2=80= =99t > remember > > > if we had it on the 11/60 before that. > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:07 PM Dan Cross wrote: > > > > > >> What was the first machine to run rogue? I understand that it was > written > > >> by Glenn Wichman and Michael Toy at UC Santa Cruz ca. 1980, using th= e > > >> `curses` library (Ken Arnold's original, not Mary Ann's rewrite). > I've seen > > >> at least one place that indicates it first ran on 6th Edition, but > that > > >> doesn't sound right to me. The first reference I can find in BSD is > in 2.79 > > >> ("rogue.doc"), which also appears to be the first release to ship > curses. > > >> > > >> Anyone have any info? Thanks! > > >> > > >> - Dan C. > > >> > > >> -- > > > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual > > > > --000000000000b7893f05c622e9d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 7:40 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
Is the rogue source extant?=C2= =A0 I remember many people spending many
hours on rogue on the 4.[12] BSD vax at Georgia Tech.

ISTR that rogue only came as a binary, there was no source.

It is; it looks like it was first distributed=C2=A0wit= h 4.3BSD-Tahoe. The sources there are listed=C2=A0as "public domain ro= gue", but I'm not sure about the provenance of that code.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Dan C.

<= div>
Arnold

Dan Cross <crossd@= gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Clem. I'm curious what other lore is out there: my suspici= on is
> that rogue never ran on vanilla v6, but it would be great to validate.=
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:51 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>
> > I first got it on V7, as I said on our 11/70 for sure but I don= =E2=80=99t remember
> > if we had it on the 11/60 before that.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:07 PM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What was the first machine to run rogue? I understand that it= was written
> >> by Glenn Wichman and Michael Toy at UC Santa Cruz ca. 1980, u= sing the
> >> `curses` library (Ken Arnold's original, not Mary Ann'= ;s rewrite). I've seen
> >> at least one place that indicates it first ran on 6th Edition= , but that
> >> doesn't sound right to me. The first reference I can find= in BSD is in 2.79
> >> ("rogue.doc"), which also appears to be the first r= elease to ship curses.
> >>
> >> Anyone have any info? Thanks!
> >>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Dan C.
> >>
> >> --
> > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
> >
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