From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15539 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2022 20:13:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Nov 2022 20:13:58 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99C641DD2; Tue, 8 Nov 2022 06:13:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-f51.google.com (mail-lf1-f51.google.com [209.85.167.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5704C40255 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2022 06:13:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-f51.google.com with SMTP id p8so18256350lfu.11 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:13:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=PFH7bVEdCaccEmX6QBrClkR3Qnj7m5zXqt3Ym4LdWv8=; b=Kx9h0jLDVX635GOe/REEykD1x3U3RAC23nHA75uoiaKRIaIsllhSQ7m5AfCRps/4C/ wu9vRlKCSNXICmiBPBzrAYxGyu8EzCPj1b8caKa0qVN/ku/pOK0hJzH0/K46DWtqXAwE MErTCFYOVWgeOxH2KSVikV+938qcHLN1+qZFb/lQjwd/9jc82EBRMSXDr7Or2INdEdYG DPekJxg4gA8zUAWuLCH8bqCjzksvxCM92PWtuBTN6scyEk5UxhCNFMM9gQyDGpTywIIj hg/6J8kwBI1m3oBGdcE+fKH7DOlYVn7l4PsW1PR2D57nY04es4FyDcXTFeEnvT5nErDG w3qQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=PFH7bVEdCaccEmX6QBrClkR3Qnj7m5zXqt3Ym4LdWv8=; b=I/J6l3QK49KpEf4vLsdybIhlqHMG4O2X8kFuw7KbrD5QJITs/v+qTPEKh+nsPU4nje L9S3LTueS2nwCbUWVtgr1PK2p+pKYla12ZOib2K1oE4iW4QyYxoTCHxbdcxndQQzIv0B q7rwknDSauakvOGfBC1WIMHs+oVQD+uWQNQcHqhlAep/dnpAVOTpkUPneOTrnNu7WJRG ftCcjYNM6ib31Wtpf/yPYnnGxV3hIzcO01agha6oNNxhoV41vH0fg7T/uCZoew1Q1GbD Av5dFOdd+Pfh8eetTh8mV+vGMFdxXH8kw/l3rEJ/3KQ0GvuonHg0aJpBB7sNWv3nUVN7 cF4g== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0Tcg3biYLmpfTkuT8E1EenIvaYoz+kxN1Tg97+hozj9/anMF/g fD9jSmhl1b4TD6Y7kpJtWcNvRoDqkBcH2eumyrzJel7b32Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4IZm3mJWW93mczjqGq0fWYXAEotsW5zGDmd2wKEVKPoVbeHRGtgnGZElsvr/SjFaQ8kdrkE7PZ0xaTorOKQdw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:c1b:b0:4a2:6e25:2844 with SMTP id z27-20020a0565120c1b00b004a26e252844mr17573035lfu.411.1667851936395; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:12:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <992562BA-E21F-4542-A50B-6CFE8F7ACE86@planet.nl> <20221011134842.GA11780@mcvoy.com> <20221011195447.GI11780@mcvoy.com> <8583490b-c7cc-4633-b506-2f16335fd3e2@home.arpa> <20221011201025.GJ11780@mcvoy.com> <513e8a46-bd31-420a-bfdf-b59451f89c8d@home.arpa> <0db171e4-7efe-8c00-bb30-a6f914cf9911@technologists.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 15:11:39 -0500 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: VCRRVFYZKDJ36YFXHLSE7UZNIHB44UCS X-Message-ID-Hash: VCRRVFYZKDJ36YFXHLSE7UZNIHB44UCS X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: LOC [was Re: Re: Re.: Princeton's "Unix: An Oral History": who was in the team in "The Attic"? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:52 PM Warner Losh wrote: > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 2:34 PM Charles H Sauer (he/him) wrote: >> On 10/11/2022 3:14 PM, Michael Kj=C3=B6rling wrote: >> > On 11 Oct 2022 13:10 -0700, from lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy): >> >>> Isn't it relatively well established, though, that IBM culture at >> >>> least for a very long time put heavy emphasis on counting lines of >> >>> source code, and that more SLOC was considered to be better? >> >> >> >> That's just stupid. >> > >> > You're getting no argument from me there. >> >> It was likely true that some parts of IBM put heavy emphasis on LOC, but >> as Marc points out, that wasn't true in Research. I don't remember heavy >> LOC emphasis in AIX groups, and I suspect even in Boca (OS/2) there was >> not "heavy" emphasis. > > Speaking of "just stupid" > > Word on the street is that Elon Musk stack ranked the engineers by lines = of code > over the last year (source: https://ma.nu/blog/bye-twitter) and layed off= the bottom > performers in terms of LoC... Well, if I ever go to work for Twitter, I know how I'm initializing large arrays. > Not 100% sure this is legit, since some tweets about it have been deleted= . I suspect it was slightly more nuanced, having more to do with "total outpu= t" measured as some combination of number of changes and their total size. It sure is dumb, though. - Dan C.