From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3570 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2022 18:39:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jun 2022 18:39:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861DF40D66; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 04:39:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-x22f.google.com (mail-oi1-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22f]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2655040D65 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 04:39:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-x22f.google.com with SMTP id l81so11291899oif.9 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2022 11:39:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=FDv0XsBbzOkwWzxFNwUiHGHFZY+YRu4QEAGMhRBq8e0=; b=RyaOMOAt3PEHFWDw/SnD9xZ4IujaaoPhMVrxak+fOu+r2LANmS/yvFYBtl+JJ7tNQ+ Zl1GajUQGlocxymmUr7ba8pudCETFa68c4Vfk/odg197ATroUHV36Vc7kspoNtc8LHEW 6PoFPZHiCXuQ5nH1ALDjIZH5wAZUCQe51utSFbZ+j4wYPK+9fL2RP0Rn2Zbwnaf7fq8S DaSCM+dpES6IglQi88stJ0BMXqufmwIKKX9P9QHmtxD1RE6b6MUPIcVUwrXc3R7JIKbi qoBInJwTWvne0Q2ZT0cWKznuVtGvpLvkwsiaKGHrrFvBgchQOf9q5QieM3thXxTTYtjr Pjlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FDv0XsBbzOkwWzxFNwUiHGHFZY+YRu4QEAGMhRBq8e0=; b=yZ4KMqr3mqt1cIcHYox9mnrh7pHa+fLCufHNNN50YqzK5b0ULSiPNETe0K71udJnzl HY+3mF0xT2Y0u4rQNcoT+zr6YZMhyv1FjF5rot/b/sE4J+juuCMiAizQOaiifTtKfXlk uuVL9nfEmIhytFd6lSzlRAEyHHKPbIh0WUDR5kLLKjAO3YYdE1LEDLXV3OXuPQzU0ogQ oMJCBlLBff7jyuejZwmu2cR1VQmC5bxHUcbvNjTIhbF9NLUj7SaGqEYy5dLSz0CdufBa 6SPv95/y616nNzNOjOQrDhNa+dpSONbrCMNRw9fOsFkh5D9rHByBk3druhF5Lfn1n3jF g8xg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora+TsfziCa6pAKHt90VnSTxYSeZbfUrlY8mFZwhZlHdq+zEQiVxf 70fof7+ncHnUc/BwFYjhmoQWD6zzIjbVOHGgK3wOblhZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1t1ObsO5aoiLg0pmXoAYtY9DrGIeESoC5IenYvad17l5SFx5bFeddq8pJzIeq19VfMg1JFLrT4781rY1BnOd78= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1989:b0:32e:a477:264e with SMTP id bj9-20020a056808198900b0032ea477264emr9818651oib.49.1655663942234; Sun, 19 Jun 2022 11:39:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 14:38:26 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Theodore Ts'o" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: I5UZJ2CH5LZ4NYE7SC2RAX73AW55C2S6 X-Message-ID-Hash: I5UZJ2CH5LZ4NYE7SC2RAX73AW55C2S6 X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: forgotten versions List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 2:33 PM Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:47:23AM -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: > > Just chiming in a bit.. > > > > Rob, it might be interesting to old geezers like me as well as newbies > > entering the field to get a perspective on Plan 9 and its evolution. The > > motivations behind it. What your group was trying to accomplish, the > > approach, pitfalls and the entire decision making process as things went > > along. Even things that went horribly wrong and what happened etc. > > I'll second that. I think it would be really helpful. > > There was a time when I was reviewing a paper which made a bunch of > claims about what Plan 9 was trying to accomplish and in particular > about what the ultimate design goals for a particular component of > Plan 9. (I won't go into further details since as far as I know, that > paper was never published.) > > In any case, since I wasn't familiar with the history of Plan 9 to > evaluate these claims, with the permission of the PC chairs, I found > someone who had been part of the Plan 9 team, and asked them to review > certain passages for accuracy, and they said, "Uh, no.... that's > totally not the case. They're completely wrong." > > So if someone were willing to create additional write ups about > lessons learned, or if that's too much work, maybe someone could do > some interview for a podcast or a vlog, that would be really > excellent. Agreed. A retrospective would be a very welcome addition to the canon. - Dan C. (PS: I _had_ heard of the VAX effort before, but I don't think I'd known quite how nascent it was before it was abandoned in favor of MIPS and 68k.)