From: crossd@gmail.com (Dan Cross)
Subject: [TUHS] 80 columns ...
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:34:13 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W7xmMU7OWgVDGbdMP9P6MFYXzD_c8YH+hEocMhniAfsjQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171108212424.GA15911@mcvoy.com>
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 04:19:49PM -0500, Dan Cross wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 08:52:03PM +0000, ron minnich wrote:
>> >> So, 80 column folks, would you find this
>> >> a(b,
>> >> c,
>> >> d)
>> >>
>> >> more readable than
>> >> a(b,c,d)
>> >
>> > yeah, I do. I work on thinkpad x220 sized machines which are just big enough
>> > for two 80 column windows with a little left over. When I'm checking in code,
>> > reviewing code, debugging code, I frequently want to see two versions of the
>> > same file side by side. If you code wider than 80 columns it greatly reduces
>> > the speed at which you can figure out what happened.
>>
>> The thing that sort of vexes me about these arguments is that the
>> number 80 is so arbitrary.
>
> Not really. Programmers need windows side by side. Lots and lots of bit
> mapped displays can handle 2 80 column windows at a reasonable font size.
Lots of them can also handle two 100 column windows, or perhaps more
realistically 82- or 85-column windows, but here's the thing that I
don't buy about that argument: if given a large enough screen,
proponents would claim that they needed 3 side-by-side windows instead
of two. As a simple test, I can put two 100x75 windows side-by-side on
my desktop here at work, using a font size big enough for my
deteriorating eyesight. I can fit three 80x75 windows next to one
another, but I can fit *4* 60-column windows next to each other.
> And I made the point about side by side diff tools.
But what about 3-way merge tools?
> And I made the point about being able to read down the center and get the
> rest through peripheral vision.
>
> Would I like wider? Not really, at this point the vast majority of the
> code I look at, the man pages and other docs I look, they all fit in 80
> columns. Sure, you could pick something else but you are just fighting
> reality.
>
> It's like video on phones. We still call it taping. Probably still will
> in a 100 years. Where's the tape? In history.
Language is a funny thing. Well, I better get back in the saddle and
write some code.
- Dan C.
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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-11-08 20:52 ron minnich
2017-11-08 21:02 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-08 21:19 ` Dan Cross
2017-11-08 21:24 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-08 21:28 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-11-08 21:48 ` [TUHS] (cassette) tape coming back [was " Charles H Sauer
2017-11-08 22:46 ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-08 23:28 ` [TUHS] " Dave Horsfall
2017-11-08 23:35 ` Ron Natalie
2017-11-08 23:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-08 21:34 ` Dan Cross [this message]
2017-11-08 21:40 ` Dan Cross
2017-11-08 21:40 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-08 21:43 ` Dan Cross
2017-11-09 1:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-08 23:46 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-11-09 6:52 ` Otto Moerbeek
2017-11-08 21:06 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-08 21:18 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-11-08 22:17 ` Grant Taylor
2017-11-08 22:30 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-08 23:07 ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-08 23:15 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-08 23:15 ` Warner Losh
2017-11-08 23:49 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-09 0:04 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-08 23:24 ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-09 7:24 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-11-09 15:02 ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-09 19:14 ` Ron Natalie
2017-11-10 16:18 ` Nemo
2017-11-10 19:05 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 20:36 ` Toby Thain
2017-11-10 20:39 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-10 20:46 ` Warner Losh
2017-11-10 20:59 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 9:24 ` David Arnold
2017-11-10 20:43 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 20:58 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-10 21:02 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 21:09 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-10 21:12 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 21:34 ` William Corcoran
2017-11-10 21:50 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 22:58 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-10 23:05 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 23:52 ` Toby Thain
2017-11-11 0:24 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 16:40 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-11-11 16:47 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 17:23 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-11 17:38 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-10 22:46 ` Toby Thain
2017-11-10 22:59 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-11 14:33 ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-11 17:19 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-11 17:24 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 17:25 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 23:59 ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-10 22:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-09 20:46 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-11-10 17:21 Norman Wilson
2017-11-10 17:56 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 17:04 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-11-11 17:30 ` Random832
2017-11-11 18:05 ` Ian Zimmerman
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